In the video I shared below, it does show a fish being injected.
I wasn't suggesting injections ever happened or were required. Also, maybe the hormone/liquid they are using in that video is different to the hormone/liquid that is allegedly being used. It's a very old video, I am sure they've come up with other versions/alternatives since 2010.
The main point of my post was to demonstrate that there are man made substances out there, which can be highly effective in attracting carp to an area...and that adding that liquid to a carrier such as leam/soil would be a good way to put down a hormone laden carpet of attraction in a swim.
I wasn't suggesting injections ever happened or were required. Also, maybe the hormone/liquid they are using in that video is different to the hormone/liquid that is allegedly being used. It's a very old video, I am sure they've come up with other versions/alternatives since 2010.
The main point of my post was to demonstrate that there are man made substances out there, which can be highly effective in attracting carp to an area...and that adding that liquid to a carrier such as leam/soil would be a good way to put down a hormone laden carpet of attraction in a swim.
In reply to Post #132
Oh I know you wasn't implying that... I ain't kept up with this whole hormone thing as quite frankly I find it quite sad people are needing to resort to things like this.
What ever it is, and how ever they have manged to deliver it just makes me wonder how many other synthetic chemicals they have tried in the process.
Oh I know you wasn't implying that... I ain't kept up with this whole hormone thing as quite frankly I find it quite sad people are needing to resort to things like this.
What ever it is, and how ever they have manged to deliver it just makes me wonder how many other synthetic chemicals they have tried in the process.
In reply to Post #123
Anglers have been keeping bait edges under there hats since man first baited a hook
Oh I gotta tell you !!
back in the day when I was in Freds inner circle I was fishing a water using Freds floater cake and doing really well and to put people off I bought a Lyons Ginger cake as it was a similar colour
I left some cut into big cubes on the wrapper just by the bivvy door
I wont name the very famous carp angler that popped round for a chat then went straight up the shops and bought a bag full of Lyons ginger cakes
BUT!!!!!!!!!
and here is the kicker he caught one off the top that day on the cake
it turned out to be quite a good bait
Anglers have been keeping bait edges under there hats since man first baited a hook
Oh I gotta tell you !!
back in the day when I was in Freds inner circle I was fishing a water using Freds floater cake and doing really well and to put people off I bought a Lyons Ginger cake as it was a similar colour
I left some cut into big cubes on the wrapper just by the bivvy door
I wont name the very famous carp angler that popped round for a chat then went straight up the shops and bought a bag full of Lyons ginger cakes
BUT!!!!!!!!!
and here is the kicker he caught one off the top that day on the cake
it turned out to be quite a good bait
In reply to Post #123
Oh that's ok then..
They were premoting a bait that they weren't using, but it's ok bacause people keep secrets
Oh that's ok then..
They were premoting a bait that they weren't using, but it's ok bacause people keep secrets
In reply to Post #124
‘Why's it a shock that a fertility hormone can be absorbed through the skin, and in excess cause an abortion?'
The behaviour of the chemical isn't shocking, that is what it's supposed to do. It's the fact that people are willing to expose themselves, other anglers, possibly family members to it just to catch a few fish.
I don't get where you are coming from comparing the Lutylase chemical warnings to those on a flavour or organic acid. The risks with prostaglandin are clearly very different.
‘Why's it a shock that a fertility hormone can be absorbed through the skin, and in excess cause an abortion?'
The behaviour of the chemical isn't shocking, that is what it's supposed to do. It's the fact that people are willing to expose themselves, other anglers, possibly family members to it just to catch a few fish.
I don't get where you are coming from comparing the Lutylase chemical warnings to those on a flavour or organic acid. The risks with prostaglandin are clearly very different.
In reply to Post #106
So what happened in the Trials, any idea?
This video only shows them injecting fish with the idea/hope they will attract the wild fish in making them easier to catch.
Did it work?
So what happened in the Trials, any idea?
This video only shows them injecting fish with the idea/hope they will attract the wild fish in making them easier to catch.
Did it work?
I think that all of this nonsense about hormones, has simply come about through pure jealously, mostly from people who simply aren't very good at catching carp, being unable to handle the idea that there are anglers out there who are much better than they are.
The end result of this, is low skill anglers - making up stories, nonsense, anecdotes and lies, to better help them cope with the idea that they're not very good at catching carp and likely never will be, this helps them control their tears whilst they blank.
People are very quick to make named accusations, completely oblivious to the fact that they're doing real damage to people who are almost certainly innocent - once it's been said, it can't easily be undone.
I think people need to slow down, think a little harder before they start naming people or spreading nonsense stories, because it literally almost certainly is - a load of nonsense.
The end result of this, is low skill anglers - making up stories, nonsense, anecdotes and lies, to better help them cope with the idea that they're not very good at catching carp and likely never will be, this helps them control their tears whilst they blank.
People are very quick to make named accusations, completely oblivious to the fact that they're doing real damage to people who are almost certainly innocent - once it's been said, it can't easily be undone.
I think people need to slow down, think a little harder before they start naming people or spreading nonsense stories, because it literally almost certainly is - a load of nonsense.
In reply to Post #138
OMG Get your head out of the sand!
OMG Get your head out of the sand!
In reply to Post #138
Nail on the head.
Not a single scrap of evidence has been shown against any of these named anglers.
Nail on the head.
Not a single scrap of evidence has been shown against any of these named anglers.
In reply to Post #138
Some of the people who have pulled out of carp matches are not "low skilled" anglers.
The reason there is no evidence is that it would be so easy to hide and secondly the tackle and especially the bait suppliers would look complicit in all this....and have probably put pressure on the anglers(?) in question to stop.
I'm sorry but every time someone questions whether this went on the phrase head in the sand does come to mind.
Some of the people who have pulled out of carp matches are not "low skilled" anglers.
The reason there is no evidence is that it would be so easy to hide and secondly the tackle and especially the bait suppliers would look complicit in all this....and have probably put pressure on the anglers(?) in question to stop.
I'm sorry but every time someone questions whether this went on the phrase head in the sand does come to mind.
In reply to Post #141
Head is not in the sand at all, just because its possible, does not mean these anglers who are doing well are using it does it? What doesnt sit well with me is the accusations against specific people with no evidence that they are using such a thing, without a single thought for the repercussions and damage to their livelyhood and their mental state.
Anglers pulling out of champs is up to them, they obviously feel like they cant compete, perhaps they just arent cut out for it? Perhaps theyve just told themselves the others must be cheating to help protect their egos? Perhaps they have clear evidence of cheating, in which case why dont they share it?
Alot of whats been said was based on false information and here say, a certain anglers wife being a vet.....etc... which turned out to be false.... but by then people are too far down the rabbit hole its too late...... dont let facts get in the way of a good rumour ay.
Head is not in the sand at all, just because its possible, does not mean these anglers who are doing well are using it does it? What doesnt sit well with me is the accusations against specific people with no evidence that they are using such a thing, without a single thought for the repercussions and damage to their livelyhood and their mental state.
Anglers pulling out of champs is up to them, they obviously feel like they cant compete, perhaps they just arent cut out for it? Perhaps theyve just told themselves the others must be cheating to help protect their egos? Perhaps they have clear evidence of cheating, in which case why dont they share it?
Alot of whats been said was based on false information and here say, a certain anglers wife being a vet.....etc... which turned out to be false.... but by then people are too far down the rabbit hole its too late...... dont let facts get in the way of a good rumour ay.
In reply to Post #142
It does beg the question if it's known to have gone on, and people in the industry know about it, why are they all protecting each other? Or are they all in on it, or have been at some point?
The fact no one is willing to name names, even in this thread someone said they knew someone but didnt name them, is odd.
If you fish carp matches for a living and you KNOW someone is cheating and beating you, surely you out them? Only reason not to is that you're guilty too. Just putting the microscope on them would either find it to be true, or force them to stop using it and it'll be obvious when their results suffer.
It does beg the question if it's known to have gone on, and people in the industry know about it, why are they all protecting each other? Or are they all in on it, or have been at some point?
The fact no one is willing to name names, even in this thread someone said they knew someone but didnt name them, is odd.
If you fish carp matches for a living and you KNOW someone is cheating and beating you, surely you out them? Only reason not to is that you're guilty too. Just putting the microscope on them would either find it to be true, or force them to stop using it and it'll be obvious when their results suffer.
In reply to Post #143
Because you'd need proof - otherwise it would be libellous.
We all form opinions based on the info we have. In cycling they must be doing something dodgy' Rebecca Vardy ‘handy they lost all messages and phone in the North Sea', as well as thousand of conscious and unconscious opinions we have.
I believe the products named and the recognised uses for them mean that someone has dabbled - after the pod cast - I don't believe it was Tom and think he was unfairly treated by many. It would be fairly easy to prove who because the chain of custody for these drugs is very tight, but it would be super expensive and involve lawyers, criminal charges and the like, so who would ever be rich and bothered enough and to what end?
As I said earlier I think Toms podcast was brilliant, honest and heart on sleeve, my opinion. I would have liked him to be asked a question as the passionate guy he is, what would he have thought, done etc. if he was not implicated (wrongly) but there were rumours of dangerous chemicals being used that threatened the future of the sport.
There's a big difference between stroke pulling and illegal activities so I can understand the intense speculation and rumours as a matter of interest to everyone who fishes.
Because you'd need proof - otherwise it would be libellous.
We all form opinions based on the info we have. In cycling they must be doing something dodgy' Rebecca Vardy ‘handy they lost all messages and phone in the North Sea', as well as thousand of conscious and unconscious opinions we have.
I believe the products named and the recognised uses for them mean that someone has dabbled - after the pod cast - I don't believe it was Tom and think he was unfairly treated by many. It would be fairly easy to prove who because the chain of custody for these drugs is very tight, but it would be super expensive and involve lawyers, criminal charges and the like, so who would ever be rich and bothered enough and to what end?
As I said earlier I think Toms podcast was brilliant, honest and heart on sleeve, my opinion. I would have liked him to be asked a question as the passionate guy he is, what would he have thought, done etc. if he was not implicated (wrongly) but there were rumours of dangerous chemicals being used that threatened the future of the sport.
There's a big difference between stroke pulling and illegal activities so I can understand the intense speculation and rumours as a matter of interest to everyone who fishes.
In reply to Post #144
there's plenty that have said they have proof but they never did anything with it. Why?
you can order the stuff from china unregulated. Plenty of other methods to get hold of it that arent the official way.
there's plenty that have said they have proof but they never did anything with it. Why?
you can order the stuff from china unregulated. Plenty of other methods to get hold of it that arent the official way.
The person with the vet 'connection' in the information I was given was NOT Tom, it was another angler.
To be clear: In my posts I am not trying to associate Tom with cheating/hormone use, not at all.
I think Tom's a brilliant angler.
For what it's worth, he's in my top 3 favourite anglers alongside Mr Hearn and Mr Dove.
I have nothing but respect for the guy and always enjoy watching his videos as I think he talks a lot of sense (I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree with the vast majority of it)
Bear in mind he's been emptying waters since LONG before the hormone subject ever entered anyone's minds. There is no doubting his skill as an angler
So, hero worship aside....we cannot say people have used it unless we have proof. As stated that would be libel and anyone wanting to gossip without proof is simpy that - a gossip.
However, the fact remains, that there are substances out there which could be used and which could muck up carp fishing as we know it.
Because of that, I believe it's valid to keep an eye out and an ear to the ground to help avoid such practices from being overlooked or accepted.
To be clear: In my posts I am not trying to associate Tom with cheating/hormone use, not at all.
I think Tom's a brilliant angler.
For what it's worth, he's in my top 3 favourite anglers alongside Mr Hearn and Mr Dove.
I have nothing but respect for the guy and always enjoy watching his videos as I think he talks a lot of sense (I don't agree with everything he says, but I do agree with the vast majority of it)
Bear in mind he's been emptying waters since LONG before the hormone subject ever entered anyone's minds. There is no doubting his skill as an angler
So, hero worship aside....we cannot say people have used it unless we have proof. As stated that would be libel and anyone wanting to gossip without proof is simpy that - a gossip.
However, the fact remains, that there are substances out there which could be used and which could muck up carp fishing as we know it.
Because of that, I believe it's valid to keep an eye out and an ear to the ground to help avoid such practices from being overlooked or accepted.