NO Basias are not worth the money end of argument.When you see what other manufacturers are able to produce for a hell of alot less money and do exactly the same job.The bent shaft debate is all hearsay,I have not once seen a photo to prove the my mate knows someone who has done it casting 
really show me the proof.
really show me the proof.
In reply to Post #105
Sort of true. They were more like a spinning reel, you can buy a spinning reel with stainless main gear and machined body that'll survive nuclear armageddon.. for a price
Sort of true. They were more like a spinning reel, you can buy a spinning reel with stainless main gear and machined body that'll survive nuclear armageddon.. for a price
In reply to Post #107
As I've said not seen the internals of the top end shimmy's & Diawa's spinning reels etc but I'm assuming their guts are of a higher quality ?
As I've said not seen the internals of the top end shimmy's & Diawa's spinning reels etc but I'm assuming their guts are of a higher quality ?
In reply to Post #108
They're not brass or stainless I don't think.
Okuma, van staal, zeebas, penn all use or have recently used it. And I mean big SW spinning reels, not 2000 trout and perch reels.
As I said though it would be pretty pointless
They're not brass or stainless I don't think.
Okuma, van staal, zeebas, penn all use or have recently used it. And I mean big SW spinning reels, not 2000 trout and perch reels.
As I said though it would be pretty pointless
In reply to Post #103
I believe there's always a trade off with middling of the road kit Vs super lightweight kit. As great as the super lightweight kit is, there's more of a chance these things won't be able to be punished like the middling of the road kit just by the nature of the materials used in both.
There comes a point where things can't get made any lighter just because all of the structural integrity has gone/material longevity in the persuit of weight saving, that is unless some marvelous unobtanium comes along.
The nearest thing in modern times that even comes close to the term *bullet proof" of the Cardinal 55 is the 5000 Tournament, apart from the rubbers on the spool, and it's collosal weight, it's an epic reel - had a set years back. To get something that is as tank like the 5000 Tournament and as lightweight as a top end Basiair melded into one, can't see that happening anytime soon.
I believe there's always a trade off with middling of the road kit Vs super lightweight kit. As great as the super lightweight kit is, there's more of a chance these things won't be able to be punished like the middling of the road kit just by the nature of the materials used in both.
There comes a point where things can't get made any lighter just because all of the structural integrity has gone/material longevity in the persuit of weight saving, that is unless some marvelous unobtanium comes along.
The nearest thing in modern times that even comes close to the term *bullet proof" of the Cardinal 55 is the 5000 Tournament, apart from the rubbers on the spool, and it's collosal weight, it's an epic reel - had a set years back. To get something that is as tank like the 5000 Tournament and as lightweight as a top end Basiair melded into one, can't see that happening anytime soon.
In reply to Post #105
Machining tolerances has improved vastly over the last 50 years. Wear in mating gears is double edged sword, spread the load over a larger area should reduce wear for a given loading but friction between mating surfaces creates wear so manufacturers use different materials to reduce the friction and in many cases these materials are more expensive to develop and produce so I don't buy your made cheap veiw.
Machining tolerances has improved vastly over the last 50 years. Wear in mating gears is double edged sword, spread the load over a larger area should reduce wear for a given loading but friction between mating surfaces creates wear so manufacturers use different materials to reduce the friction and in many cases these materials are more expensive to develop and produce so I don't buy your made cheap veiw.
Would there be me force exerted on a spool if the spool is extended and say someone pulls for a break or pulling against a snag/weed without wrapping the line around something else so direct pull on spool via right angle on bail arm, or very hard fighting sea fish stripping braid off tight spool?
If spool shafts are going to bend i would have thought this type of thing is what would cause more damage than most people casting? if this can cause damage then a reel with the longer spool stroke would damage easier, spool shafts do and can bend many years ago i have slightly bent a shaft on an xt tech and no idea how i did it fortunately i managed to get hold of the last spares shimano felindre had at the time
If spool shafts are going to bend i would have thought this type of thing is what would cause more damage than most people casting? if this can cause damage then a reel with the longer spool stroke would damage easier, spool shafts do and can bend many years ago i have slightly bent a shaft on an xt tech and no idea how i did it fortunately i managed to get hold of the last spares shimano felindre had at the time
In reply to Post #111
So what you're saying is plastic is more expensive than brass & machining as apposed to injection moulding is also more cost affective ? Perhaps you're living in a parallel universe
So what you're saying is plastic is more expensive than brass & machining as apposed to injection moulding is also more cost affective ? Perhaps you're living in a parallel universe
In reply to Post #112
I've never bought the 'bent while casting' argument for that reason, I just don't see how you could apply that amount of lateral force holding the line next to the spool lip.
There's more lateral force when you play a fish imo
I've never bought the 'bent while casting' argument for that reason, I just don't see how you could apply that amount of lateral force holding the line next to the spool lip.
There's more lateral force when you play a fish imo
In reply to Post #113
Don't know any reel manufacturer using plastic gears but the cold forged gears used by daiwa and shimano is certainly more expensive than brass which is very cheap.
Don't know any reel manufacturer using plastic gears but the cold forged gears used by daiwa and shimano is certainly more expensive than brass which is very cheap.
In reply to Post #115
Steel scrap £600 per metric tonne Aluminium scrap £600 per metric tonne Brass scrap £3000 per metric tonne
Steel scrap £600 per metric tonne Aluminium scrap £600 per metric tonne Brass scrap £3000 per metric tonne
In reply to Post #116
Null and void argument. Material costs probably make up 0.00000000001% of the sale price of a reel.
Null and void argument. Material costs probably make up 0.00000000001% of the sale price of a reel.
In reply to Post #117
Awww do you think it's the cheap Foreign labour then ?
Awww do you think it's the cheap Foreign labour then ?
In reply to Post #85
“When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last” Brilliant
“When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last” Brilliant
Someone hit the nail on the head. The top end light fancy reels are a joy to use but are likely much more fragile than the old workhorses. If you need a workhorse, basias probably aren't the best choice.
I believe that the original ISO's are the best of both worlds, pretty robust but quite light and nice and shiny too.
I believe that the original ISO's are the best of both worlds, pretty robust but quite light and nice and shiny too.