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John Baker flavours (123 posts / 20,085 views)
Carpy-Angler Carpy-Angler
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Post #106 8 Feb 2021 17:53
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The prep/work that goes into them S2's I couldn't ever get close too I'm also not spending as much money - no brainier
2ndChance 2ndChance
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Post #107 14 Feb 2021 12:25
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Now available at £3.95, and rising.
ip100 ip100
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Post #108 14 Feb 2021 13:27
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Not profiteering though......
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #109 14 Feb 2021 15:20
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Definitely not. Only gone up 33% in the last few weeks. Obviously produced in late 1920's Germany with that type of hyperinflation.....
frothey frothey
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Post #110 14 Feb 2021 17:08
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But if you could “get away with it” - wouldn't you? He's not running a charity. Look how uk air b'n'b's and holiday venues are putting up their prices this year because demand is going to waaaaaay outstrip supply......
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #111 14 Feb 2021 17:46
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Different concept. With air b n b, the supply is limited by the quantity of property. The only limiting factor here is 8ml glass bottles, not the contents. Equivalent of £500 a litre now (including the bottle obviously...).

Good flavours without a doubt though, some of them.
frothey frothey
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Post #112 14 Feb 2021 17:51
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Same concept - they can get away with it 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm sure JB cant be arsed to go thru all the faff to only make a quid.
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #113 14 Feb 2021 17:55
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We will have to agree to disagree then.

I guess the point that others and myself are making, is really, how much is too much for an 8ml sample bottle?

Perhaps I'm just thinking back to going into Reading Angling in the mid 80s and buying a 50ml bottle of Catchum flavour for £1.50 though!
framey framey
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Post #114 14 Feb 2021 18:09
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He obviously values his hourly wage above the minimum wage and why not .


What do you who are saying it is “profiteering” feel is an acceptable price for these ?
Boo Boo
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Post #115 14 Feb 2021 19:11
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My take on it is he knows what the flavours cost to make per batch, let's say 10L so knows what the cost per ml is, cost of bottle is, time it takes to fill said bottle and what he wants to make out of it to make it worth his while (nothing wrong with this and this is how business works)

When he first done the 8ml samples everything was taken into account. Cost of flavour, bottle, time and profit. He came up with the price of £2.50 per 8ml bottle and they sold out straight away. Now realising how popular they are the price has increased over 50% 🤷🏻‍♂️ This is profiteering in my eyes just the same as you getting an Uber home from the pub every Friday for £10 but New Years Eve the same trip is now £50. Did the cost of fuel, time etc all of a sudden 5x

I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it
frothey frothey
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Post #116 14 Feb 2021 19:17
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£1.50? You could buy a house back then for that!

I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it

Yeah, especially as £500 for a glorified tent is profiteering in the first place....
Boo Boo
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Post #117 14 Feb 2021 19:28
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Not really as that's the price they have decided they want for their product, it's then up to the consumer to decide if they want it or not

Regarding these flavours in particular, the cost has gone from £2.49 to £3.50 to £3.95 in a couple of weeks. Now if cost of ingredients have gone unexpectedly in these last couple of weeks then fair enough. But if you are just raising your prices to see what you can get away with because your product is popular (like the uber example) then that's just a piss take

Not wanting to single out John in particular and in no way knocking what he does as I think we can all agree he's one of the best at what he does. But he was obviously happy with his margins at £2.49 but then upped the price to £3.50 and now £3.95 plus the £3.85 postage
framey framey
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Post #118 14 Feb 2021 19:50
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Or he really undervalued the length of time it was going to take to decant and label and a pain on the arris to send out all these little bottles with the queues at the post office.
Or the fact that the price of the bottles may have shot through the roof to purchase from the suppliers

Wait until the next lot of tackle comes through on the slow boat and see the costs then lol
Boo Boo
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Post #119 14 Feb 2021 20:36
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But surely as an already established business he has his cost of product per ml nailed down, cost of bottles nailed down, time to fill the bottles nailed down. That's how he came to the price of £2.49?

Or are you telling me a businessman just guessed at £2.49 hoping he was right and now realising he is wildly out of the ball park so upped his prices
framey framey
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Post #120 14 Feb 2021 21:10
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Not necessarily
I bet he has to bottle it all by hand as he isn't automated
I've seen some of the queues outside the post office waiting to post stuff.
The pandemic shut down has exaggerated this because people are still buying stuff on the internet
Like I said wait until the next slow boat comes in and see what you will be paying for stuff then
This is the tip of the iceberg

It's all about whether you want to pay it or not.
How much is a 50mm bottle of mulberry florentine or autumn fizz going for
That's profiteering lol
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