In reply to Post #106
ha ha, I only mentioned it cause I never use the cord with mine, just lay my spod rod on the floor and put the sticks in.
I think you're right, it's a compression thing. To compress a high T/C rod takes some doing and for a lot of casts under 100 yards you can get away without properly compressing the rod. When I used my Infinities I found I could cast just about as far with my 2.75's as I could with my 3.5's as they were easier to compress.
With my 3.25 rods I'm currently using I know when I've compressed them right when afterwards I wish I'd put a glove on
but for most casts you can get away without ever fully compressing the rod, most people probably don't or need to, unless they've spent an afternoon with Terry of course, having said that, 140 with a 10ft rod, folks should be queuing up for an afternoon with you
ha ha, I only mentioned it cause I never use the cord with mine, just lay my spod rod on the floor and put the sticks in.
I think you're right, it's a compression thing. To compress a high T/C rod takes some doing and for a lot of casts under 100 yards you can get away without properly compressing the rod. When I used my Infinities I found I could cast just about as far with my 2.75's as I could with my 3.5's as they were easier to compress.
With my 3.25 rods I'm currently using I know when I've compressed them right when afterwards I wish I'd put a glove on
but for most casts you can get away without ever fully compressing the rod, most people probably don't or need to, unless they've spent an afternoon with Terry of course, having said that, 140 with a 10ft rod, folks should be queuing up for an afternoon with you
Let's just get back to reality for a moment here. Surely this is all about power, fulcrums and energy? If short rods are so wonderful, why do the tournament casters use rods of 12', 13' and even 15' to achieve the maximum distance?
In reply to Post #98
Hey Ken, you been watching late night tv lately, they are showing Pie in the Sky, it's ok if you haven't seen it before.
Hey Ken, you been watching late night tv lately, they are showing Pie in the Sky, it's ok if you haven't seen it before.
In reply to Post #109
Am I wrong, then?
Am I wrong, then?
In reply to Post #106
Well maybe its the answer to the original OPs question.
If they are easier to use, more accurate and easier to transport, maybe it's the extreme distance "craze" we've all been sold on and things are just returning to reality.
In the end it's all gonna boil down to preference anyway
Best
Jon
Well maybe its the answer to the original OPs question.
If they are easier to use, more accurate and easier to transport, maybe it's the extreme distance "craze" we've all been sold on and things are just returning to reality.
In the end it's all gonna boil down to preference anyway
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #110
Definitely.............................not.
Definitely.............................not.
In reply to Post #108
A stiff 10ft rod that keeps it's effective length during the cast Ie a stiff tipped and softer butt, would be far longer than a 12ft rod that folds in half. The 10ft rod would therefore generate far greater lead speed and therefore cast further.
I have seen bainsey (who is over 60years old btw) put a 4oz lead on a 10ft rod over 150yds with cheap reel and 10lb line / leader.
It's a catfish rod that puts out massive amounts of power as it stays long during casts however folds under heavy pressure hence the massive output for stopping catfish.
It makes a brilliant method rod too!!
A stiff 10ft rod that keeps it's effective length during the cast Ie a stiff tipped and softer butt, would be far longer than a 12ft rod that folds in half. The 10ft rod would therefore generate far greater lead speed and therefore cast further.
I have seen bainsey (who is over 60years old btw) put a 4oz lead on a 10ft rod over 150yds with cheap reel and 10lb line / leader.
It's a catfish rod that puts out massive amounts of power as it stays long during casts however folds under heavy pressure hence the massive output for stopping catfish.
It makes a brilliant method rod too!!
In reply to Post #108
Apologies, I thought we were on about carp fishing. Not tournament casting.
Apologies, I thought we were on about carp fishing. Not tournament casting.
Like I said in my previous post, shorter rods apply pressure more efficiently.
You will get higher output for less input...
Boat rods could be as long as you want, there's only an ocean in front of you. But they're 6 to 8ft.
Long stiff rods came about to cast loads distances short bendy rods couldn't
You will get higher output for less input...
Boat rods could be as long as you want, there's only an ocean in front of you. But they're 6 to 8ft.
Long stiff rods came about to cast loads distances short bendy rods couldn't
In reply to Post #108
Dead right. I think that for the short time that Terry Edmonds was with Nash his best cast was 170 with a Scope (I remember laughing b/c Nash was talking about it like the rest of us would also be able to get this!!).
That's about a third less than he has got from a 13' carp rod. Which sounds about right.
Of course,if an angler can't compress a 12' rod but can compress the 10' then the difference would be less, but that's down to the angler's inability not the shorter rod's ability vs. a 12/13 footer.
Having said that, as a very average caster I would like to have a go with a Scope to see how close I get to my existing rods.
Dead right. I think that for the short time that Terry Edmonds was with Nash his best cast was 170 with a Scope (I remember laughing b/c Nash was talking about it like the rest of us would also be able to get this!!).
That's about a third less than he has got from a 13' carp rod. Which sounds about right.
Of course,if an angler can't compress a 12' rod but can compress the 10' then the difference would be less, but that's down to the angler's inability not the shorter rod's ability vs. a 12/13 footer.
Having said that, as a very average caster I would like to have a go with a Scope to see how close I get to my existing rods.
In reply to Post #116
I love the concept of the small pack down highly mobile approach, but I've never got on with short rods. If another manufacturer copied the concept but went with 3piece 12 footers I'd bet loads of anglers would swap, I might even be tempted myself.
I have to wonder, why are even short rods marketed by casting ability these days?
I love the concept of the small pack down highly mobile approach, but I've never got on with short rods. If another manufacturer copied the concept but went with 3piece 12 footers I'd bet loads of anglers would swap, I might even be tempted myself.
I have to wonder, why are even short rods marketed by casting ability these days?
In reply to Post #117
Agree with this, 12ft 3 piece rods, there must be a gap in the market for those that want a 12ft rod that can be left out of site in the boot of a car.
Agree with this, 12ft 3 piece rods, there must be a gap in the market for those that want a 12ft rod that can be left out of site in the boot of a car.
In reply to Post #118
Shimano covered this years ago with 3 piece and telescopics and have improved on it since.
Before discovering we could use the same airport service the ski community enjoyed it was the way to go. Some of the rods were excellent.
Nowadays the bazooka rules for flights, but the 3 piece and telescopics are still out there
Best
Jon
Shimano covered this years ago with 3 piece and telescopics and have improved on it since.
Before discovering we could use the same airport service the ski community enjoyed it was the way to go. Some of the rods were excellent.
Nowadays the bazooka rules for flights, but the 3 piece and telescopics are still out there
Best
Jon
Wasn't there an issue with the action/casting ability of 3 piece rods over 2 piece. That's why I thought beachcasters were usually 2 piece 
In reply to Post #120
If you think about it, scopes are three piece, and many modern beachcasters are 14 or 15 ft three piece
Three or more piece carp rods are around, but it's the full integration of everything else that's missing, the luggage, landing net, spod and marker rods that makes them a specialist item instead of a decent general kit
If you think about it, scopes are three piece, and many modern beachcasters are 14 or 15 ft three piece
Three or more piece carp rods are around, but it's the full integration of everything else that's missing, the luggage, landing net, spod and marker rods that makes them a specialist item instead of a decent general kit