If your connected in any way to a product then you are effectively a salesman and the opinion is biased, The reaction has shown that and makes it no more credible than a magazine reviews. If the product is as good as some think (and most hope) then the product will stand on its own merit.
In reply to Post #107
That statement might carry some weight if I'd tried to tell you or anyone else how good it is but I haven't have I? You've said I have "bigged" it up, show me where?
That statement might carry some weight if I'd tried to tell you or anyone else how good it is but I haven't have I? You've said I have "bigged" it up, show me where?
In reply to Post #108
The comments in relation to the link you posted earlier to Cemex back in November. Its only your defensive reaction on this thread that i put the connection together. Had i of known, i wouldnt crossed swords on it with you as its a pointless exercise. Good luck to you and Fortis
I could ask you to show me the "every single thread on every forum" that i have posted about this bag?? ... but i know thats never coming
The comments in relation to the link you posted earlier to Cemex back in November. Its only your defensive reaction on this thread that i put the connection together. Had i of known, i wouldnt crossed swords on it with you as its a pointless exercise. Good luck to you and Fortis
I could ask you to show me the "every single thread on every forum" that i have posted about this bag?? ... but i know thats never coming
In reply to Post #106
Partly, but was more general thing. I just think, in my opinion, that if people have an involvement with a product or company that they should declare it if commenting in a thread in relation to that product or company.
I don't mean that in a negative way, as it gives some weight to any comments/opinions that someone might have rather than someone who's never seen a product but passes opinion on it.
The 'hardon' bit wasn't you, I had another forum member in mind
(that sounds a bit dodgy but you know what I mean!
For people who don't frequent other forums they wouldn't know that you had an involvement.
Anyway,this has gone slightly off topic so a question...
As dpm is now going out of fashion does anyone know if a black version will be released? And if it is, will it be priced the same? After all, we've been led to believe that dpm is vastly more expensive than olive green and I'm sure that's not just because it was in fashion...
Black is the new dpm
Partly, but was more general thing. I just think, in my opinion, that if people have an involvement with a product or company that they should declare it if commenting in a thread in relation to that product or company.
I don't mean that in a negative way, as it gives some weight to any comments/opinions that someone might have rather than someone who's never seen a product but passes opinion on it.
The 'hardon' bit wasn't you, I had another forum member in mind
(that sounds a bit dodgy but you know what I mean!For people who don't frequent other forums they wouldn't know that you had an involvement.
Anyway,this has gone slightly off topic so a question...
As dpm is now going out of fashion does anyone know if a black version will be released? And if it is, will it be priced the same? After all, we've been led to believe that dpm is vastly more expensive than olive green and I'm sure that's not just because it was in fashion...
Black is the new dpm
In reply to Post #109
Thanks
Thanks
While I think this (and any £250) bag is massively overpriced, I don't think a Fortis witch-hunt is necessary.
They're a company I like a lot but it does seem an odd leap from far east sweat shop Oakley copies to high end British made outdoor gear. They picked the right mob to get involved with though and I wish them every success.... They're still pulling people's pants down over this bag I reckon but carp angler's pants are notoriously easy to dislodge
They're a company I like a lot but it does seem an odd leap from far east sweat shop Oakley copies to high end British made outdoor gear. They picked the right mob to get involved with though and I wish them every success.... They're still pulling people's pants down over this bag I reckon but carp angler's pants are notoriously easy to dislodge
In reply to Post #110
Fair enough, I can see what you're saying but you need to remember that before I posted last night on this thread, my only other post was to answer somebody who asked if the DPM material was the same as the olive. I think (haven't checked back to be sure) I did that with a 2 word answer so I have in no way whatsoever tried to big the thing up or try to sell it to anybody and therefore don't see any need to disclose that I had an involvement with the product. If I'd been raving on about how great the bag is and that it's a must buy item at every opportunity I can understand that you'd have a point, but I haven't.
I don't work for Fortis, i'm a self employed car body repairer and an angler who was asked to put a few prototype sleeping bags through they're paces and report back with my feedback. My input into the sleeping bag was finished some months ago now when the final design was settled upon. Whether you, g4fne or anyone else on here decide to buy one or not will have no impact on me personally.
If anyone would like any feedback from me about the bag, then I'm happy to give it as I've spent more nights in one than anyone else at this stage
Fair enough, I can see what you're saying but you need to remember that before I posted last night on this thread, my only other post was to answer somebody who asked if the DPM material was the same as the olive. I think (haven't checked back to be sure) I did that with a 2 word answer so I have in no way whatsoever tried to big the thing up or try to sell it to anybody and therefore don't see any need to disclose that I had an involvement with the product. If I'd been raving on about how great the bag is and that it's a must buy item at every opportunity I can understand that you'd have a point, but I haven't.
I don't work for Fortis, i'm a self employed car body repairer and an angler who was asked to put a few prototype sleeping bags through they're paces and report back with my feedback. My input into the sleeping bag was finished some months ago now when the final design was settled upon. Whether you, g4fne or anyone else on here decide to buy one or not will have no impact on me personally.
If anyone would like any feedback from me about the bag, then I'm happy to give it as I've spent more nights in one than anyone else at this stage
So how much much do people think you should pay for a handmade in Britain item ? Because I don't get it people are on here all the time saying how their mass produced overpriced foreign item is crap and fallen apart.
In reply to Post #114
And how great their custom built uk blank rods are, lol.
And how great their custom built uk blank rods are, lol.
In reply to Post #114
I have to agree with your leading question..
By my reckoning, the cost price for any piece of kit should be the optimum balance between number of units you need to sell to profit ratio against the competition in the market place..
No good selling premium products at knockdown prices to a point you cant keep up with demand.
Likewise, no good having an overpriced premium product you simply can't sell, no matter how good it is!!
The key is to set the highest price possible to just be able to keep up with demand to maximise the profit available. Or to create a frenzy so that the item isn't available, except on advance order, to further increase price / frenzy and subsequent profit margin.
Judging by the amount of stock that ISN'T available, clamour for the product and the high market price, I would imagine the manufacture is feeling rather pleased with all it's relevant departments!!!
It's purely down to the fault of the mainstream suppliers and general punters as to why the product is such a high price.....For constantly paying over the odds for cheap, sub standard Far East *****!!!
I also don't think Carp Unit has done anything wrong other than give honest appraisal based on his use of the product. He doesn't appear to be paid by them nor has not had a freebie..
I have to agree with your leading question..
By my reckoning, the cost price for any piece of kit should be the optimum balance between number of units you need to sell to profit ratio against the competition in the market place..
No good selling premium products at knockdown prices to a point you cant keep up with demand.
Likewise, no good having an overpriced premium product you simply can't sell, no matter how good it is!!
The key is to set the highest price possible to just be able to keep up with demand to maximise the profit available. Or to create a frenzy so that the item isn't available, except on advance order, to further increase price / frenzy and subsequent profit margin.
Judging by the amount of stock that ISN'T available, clamour for the product and the high market price, I would imagine the manufacture is feeling rather pleased with all it's relevant departments!!!
It's purely down to the fault of the mainstream suppliers and general punters as to why the product is such a high price.....For constantly paying over the odds for cheap, sub standard Far East *****!!!
I also don't think Carp Unit has done anything wrong other than give honest appraisal based on his use of the product. He doesn't appear to be paid by them nor has not had a freebie..
In reply to Post #115
True mate and I have never seen a thread about the cost of a Basia
True mate and I have never seen a thread about the cost of a Basia
In reply to Post #114
Spot on. I don't mind paying for quality. Quite simply it will last longer and the pain of the initial outlay means that I look after the product.
British is best.
Spot on. I don't mind paying for quality. Quite simply it will last longer and the pain of the initial outlay means that I look after the product.
British is best.
In reply to Post #118
Sorry to jump on an old post, now it's got colder on the night how are the bags holding up? I currently have the old trakker peachskin bag however it's seen better days. Are these bags actually that warm? Or shall I just get another trakker? Cheers
Sorry to jump on an old post, now it's got colder on the night how are the bags holding up? I currently have the old trakker peachskin bag however it's seen better days. Are these bags actually that warm? Or shall I just get another trakker? Cheers
In reply to Post #119
Hi , I'm looking at one of these to replace my trakker pertex (winter) and trakker big snooze plus (summer) . Now that they have even out a while how are you finding them ? Quite like the light weight design but need some first hand feedback , thanks .
Hi , I'm looking at one of these to replace my trakker pertex (winter) and trakker big snooze plus (summer) . Now that they have even out a while how are you finding them ? Quite like the light weight design but need some first hand feedback , thanks .
In reply to Post #120
used mine on a recent trip to France.
Temps got down to -4 and some of the other anglers were saying how cold it was overnight. I didn't notice so that tells you all you need to know.
Fits on the bedchair well, zips are great and work well, nice cammo design and generally a great bag.
Feels a little cold when you first get in given the materials used but soon warms up.
highly recommended
used mine on a recent trip to France.
Temps got down to -4 and some of the other anglers were saying how cold it was overnight. I didn't notice so that tells you all you need to know.
Fits on the bedchair well, zips are great and work well, nice cammo design and generally a great bag.
Feels a little cold when you first get in given the materials used but soon warms up.
highly recommended