In reply to Post #1132
no different from the queues at sainsburys or tesco and at least social distancing will occur unlike buping shopping trolleys everywhere.
no different from the queues at sainsburys or tesco and at least social distancing will occur unlike buping shopping trolleys everywhere.
In reply to Post #1133
I think Rex means angling will get the blame, food is essential.
I think Rex means angling will get the blame, food is essential.
In reply to Post #1133
ive seen various videos Farlows, Thorney weir etc all rammed this morning no doubt it will be the same at most day tickets, the media will have a frenzy over it but as others have said I don't see it any different to queues at supermarkets once you are through the gates its probably fine and all rules being adhered too not that the press will see it like that
ive seen various videos Farlows, Thorney weir etc all rammed this morning no doubt it will be the same at most day tickets, the media will have a frenzy over it but as others have said I don't see it any different to queues at supermarkets once you are through the gates its probably fine and all rules being adhered too not that the press will see it like that
In reply to Post #1125
Good that...
Good that...
Has anyone seen the FB video's of the queue's at Thorney and Farlows this morning........I dont know how many pegs they have at these lakes but **** me it looked like a Transit van convention....... 
Edit - Seems like my question is answered with the previous few posts......
Edit - Seems like my question is answered with the previous few posts......
In reply to Post #1135
I would be surprised if the press take any notice at all. The vids I've seen appear to show guys maintaining SD even in those ridiculous queues.
I would be surprised if the press take any notice at all. The vids I've seen appear to show guys maintaining SD even in those ridiculous queues.
In reply to Post #1138
The Vid i saw has 3 blokes at the front of the queue elbow to elbow talking about everything carpy.....
The Vid i saw has 3 blokes at the front of the queue elbow to elbow talking about everything carpy.....
In reply to Post #1131
Fair enough - I honestly would have thought the bailiff would be telling people once they reach the 30 limit. That's plain stupid to know that more anglers will turn up than you have capacity for.
Staggered starts and allocated pegs would be a better plan I agree
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates?
Fair enough - I honestly would have thought the bailiff would be telling people once they reach the 30 limit. That's plain stupid to know that more anglers will turn up than you have capacity for.
Staggered starts and allocated pegs would be a better plan I agree
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates?
Not that it was needed but Government have confirmed night fishing is allowed
Well not in them exact words but they have said “for any amount of time” no doubt there will be people still asking for more clarification 😂😂
Well not in them exact words but they have said “for any amount of time” no doubt there will be people still asking for more clarification 😂😂
In reply to Post #1140
That's why 'common sense' is an unreliable option, very little gets displayed.....
Numpty world, honk honk.
That's why 'common sense' is an unreliable option, very little gets displayed.....
Numpty world, honk honk.
In reply to Post #1142
too right. honestly - some fishery management is about as effective as the bloody government!
who wins if they have to send anglers away? they'll just get P'd off with the venue and look to take their business elsewhere - maybe indefinitely.
if the limit is 30 then take 30 bookings with a system in place to promote some 'fairness' (maybe a time limit and then a specified 'no return until' time period like on car parks) that way you can keep more of your membership happy and ensure safety.
not difficult is it?
too right. honestly - some fishery management is about as effective as the bloody government!
who wins if they have to send anglers away? they'll just get P'd off with the venue and look to take their business elsewhere - maybe indefinitely.
if the limit is 30 then take 30 bookings with a system in place to promote some 'fairness' (maybe a time limit and then a specified 'no return until' time period like on car parks) that way you can keep more of your membership happy and ensure safety.
not difficult is it?
In reply to Post #1140
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates
Our syndicate has opened and we have 48 hr blocks we book, with an hour between when block ends to when the next starts. All members to be off the lake an hour before the next block
Today 8am to Friday 11am
Friday 12noon to Sunday 11am
Sunday 12noon etc.etc..
Few extra rules from the norm but basically common sense. All swims are more than 7-8 metres apart.
26 members over two lakes, 11 booked for the first block, probably the same Fri-Sun between the two lakes. Way it is atm I could have one of the lakes to myself Sunday if I wanted it.
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates
Our syndicate has opened and we have 48 hr blocks we book, with an hour between when block ends to when the next starts. All members to be off the lake an hour before the next block
Today 8am to Friday 11am
Friday 12noon to Sunday 11am
Sunday 12noon etc.etc..
Few extra rules from the norm but basically common sense. All swims are more than 7-8 metres apart.
26 members over two lakes, 11 booked for the first block, probably the same Fri-Sun between the two lakes. Way it is atm I could have one of the lakes to myself Sunday if I wanted it.
In reply to Post #1144
Interesting post........
THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: WHO KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
Interesting post........
THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: WHO KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
In reply to Post #1144
How do you eat yours
How do you eat yours