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Fermented Maize anyone got a recipe ? (139 posts / 40,625 views)
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #152 5 Apr 2022 15:56
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Hence why I asked lol.

Still think a large screw top would be better.

HDPE will deal with compression just as well as PET to be fair
RKB
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Post #153 5 Apr 2022 18:33
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What large screw top bottle would that be then? He's already explained why you need to use a bottle that'll withstand the pressure.
Goose Goose
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Post #154 5 Apr 2022 20:37
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Can remember reading Zack's method a very long time ago and using it, often thought about a wide neck bottle as well but never found anything. Did wonder If there is a wide one on the marhet that had an air admittance valve in the lid to allow the fermentation process to drive the air out so the bottle didn't expand but again didn't find anything suitable.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #155 5 Apr 2022 22:53
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Why are you asking me what container thst would be? I've described a type of container not one I've identified. Calm down. 😂
Darkieallard
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Post #156 6 Apr 2022 03:25
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Honestly what's the problem with cutting the lid off a 2L bottle?

Zack
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Post #157 6 Apr 2022 07:34
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I recall this morning that the funnel I eventually ended up using is the top from another PET bottle of the same size. Also when bottling the maize, a bit at a time, usually I use a desert spoon full at a time and poke it through with the handle. Too much and you just clog the funnel up.

Plastic bottles cut in half can be used as propagators to go on top of plants and cutting to grow etc

As for how much pressure the bottle will have to bear, try standing on, jumping on or stamping on a fizzy drinks PET bottle full of water and no air inside which would only compress and try forcing the bottom out of the bottle to become dome shaped. You cannot. How often have you seen a PET bottle with a domes out bottom, probably never, that is because it is rare for a bottle to be pressurised so much. Now try that with a milk carton etc.

I weigh 220lbs and what that works out as lbs/sq inch I dont know, and that is not enough to "Pop" a bottle base out , but off the internet:-

The surface area of a 2 litre coke bottle is 684.274cm2, so now you can work it out.

There may be other containers you can use, but they would have to be clear plastic, otherwise, you would never know what the condition of the maize is, ie, has it fermented, gone rotten etc without opening the top and potentially letting in harmful bacteria. Plus, with a harder plastic, how do you squeeze the air out apart from filling it up to the top with water, but that then leaves no room for the container to expand and potentially become even more pressurised.

A couple of other things about fermentation if your not into winemaking, yeast is killed off when fermentation reaches a level of 10% to 15% alcohol, so when you bang your sugar or fructose syrup in with the particles, is it a controlled amount or just a case of tip it in, because if not, you could end up with a "dry" bait similar to a dry wine, all the sugar has fermented, or it could be a "sweet" bait, like a sweet wine, the sugars have fermented, but the level of alcohol has reached the point were yeast is killed off still leaving sugar in with the particles.

To get a higher level of fermentation, you have to use a "Super Yeast" but that will only raise the alcohol level to around 17% I think as I have ever only used them once years ago.

So basically, that "top" bait you have created, may be an unsweetened or a sweetened bait which could be why sometimes, your bait does not work because it was made wrong, too much sugar or not enough.

As I never add sugars, I have to presume that I am using a "Dry Bait".
Boo Boo
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Post #158 6 Apr 2022 12:31
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How long will the maize in the bottle last once opened and started being used?
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #159 6 Apr 2022 14:13
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I just want to reduce my plastic waste mate, a bigger necked bottle could be decanted and re used multiple times. I wasn't slagging the guy off for doing it just trying to find a solution to reduce my own plastic use. I assume that's alright?
Darkieallard
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Post #160 6 Apr 2022 14:15
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Either way the plastic will be recycled, you seem to be shooting a lot of members down recently for no reason.

All Zack done as explain the way he fermented maize with the materials that worked for him, you've already got 2 uses out of a old bottle.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #161 6 Apr 2022 15:29
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Not at all, I think it's a good idea. I was just trying to work out if there was a way to easily re use the bottles. Please stop trying to twist it into something it's not.
Zack
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Post #162 6 Apr 2022 16:20
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>>>>How long will the maize in the bottle last once opened and started being used?<<<

Its difficult to say, because of the narrow neck, you have only one way of getting it out, shake a few pieces out at a time, but, invariably, you will also pour out all the liquid, and if you plan on pouring it back in the bottle, it could be contaminated with bacteria which will start the decaying process. Also air will get in the bottle, and that too could be carrying airborne bacteria. But, it would easily last a weekend or longer, maybe a week, but, I haver tried looking.

As a rule, I cut the bottle open and empty the contents into a bait bucket and use it all up.

I did try fermenting in small 500ml bottles for small amounts of bait for a session, but, it never worked and never bothered repeating the exercise again to try and find out why it did not work.
Zack
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Post #163 6 Apr 2022 16:32
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A simple way to reuse a lot of plastic bottles on one project is something that I came across sometime in the the past few years.

An air conditioning unit. Basically, you get a load of plastic bottles, cut the bottoms off, unscrew the tops, make a big bank of them and fit a piece of hosepipe etc over the bottle spout, these if I recall are fed into a larger pipe which then goes into your house.

The idea is, you face the bottle ends into the wind, the air blows into the bottles, gets slightly compressed and forced down the piping and as we know, compressed air is cool, and then it goes down the main pipe and cools the house down

It would be the ideal thing on roof of a bivvy in Summer if there was a bit of wind on a scorching hot day.

So far. I have not took the plunge. Plenty off instructions online how to do it, just search for plastic bottle air conditioning. Its supposed to be a common practise in 3rd World Countries.

When Nash find out, they will be soon releasing an air conditioning unit for bivvies.

Here is one method of doing it:-

https://observers.france24.com/en/20160602-bangladesh-air-conditioner-plastic-bottles-technology
Boo Boo
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Post #164 6 Apr 2022 17:17
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Thanks, so I'd be better off just putting say half a kilo-kilo of maize in each bottle to ferment as that will probably be enough for me for my few hours I do after work
Zack
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Post #165 6 Apr 2022 17:27
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About half a kilo I think is probably all you get in a bottle anyway as you only 3/4 fill them and then squeeze the bottle to get all air out and screw the top on. The bottles look odd initially being flattish, but they soon pop out again when fermentation kicks in.

But, it is a lot of messing for just regular evening sessions, probably just better to boil the maize and let it ferment in a bucket a few days beforehand. My idea is mainly for use as a back up bait to take and bring home if unused for another day or for long sessions where your ready prepared stuff has been used up or gone off.
Gadgey Gadgey
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Post #166 6 Apr 2022 17:29
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Hi Zack,
Just want to say thanks for sharing your knowledge, saving my bottles now and going to have a bash at this.
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