I don't see the harm in using a Drone or a deeper. In the right circumstances they can be fantastic. They create very little noise, there's no disturbance and you can locate fish or even check on swims when fishing bigger waters. I've used my drone to check spots on the river and if someone is in a particular swim. Also used it for locating fish. As long as your not interfering with anyone else I don't see the problem.
In reply to Post #92
. . .If Izaak Walton had a baitboat, deeper and drone he would have def used them . . .
I'm not a drone owner, but if I was fishing a windswept inland sea that took a day to walk around I would 100% be considering one . . .its not cheating, its just using tech to maximise your available time. Having played with a drone (not whilst fishing) it also requires a modicum of skill to use it effectively, its not ever going to guarantee you fish, just maybe give you a fighting chance to help locate them on a clear day . . .
Tech has moved on and its being embraced, not dismissed in other sports . . .admittedly carp fishing isn't as hardcore but have a look here - K2 descent on skis
If you watch the full version you'll see the whole descent (which was effectively blind) was tracked live by a guy with a drone who relayed the issues in advance via comms - this was essential to ensure the skier didn't make a wrong turn, which on K2 even without skis would end up in guaranteed death. Using it didn't guarantee success, it just gave him a few % more luck points to complete the challenge without dying. A drone was also used to ship medicine to the skiers buddy who got sick just below the deathzone on the climb up and was left on his own. . .he wouldn't have made it down without a drone as he would have died before anyone got the chance to deliver the drugs. . .
Has the extreme ski community dissed this guy and his team for using a drone? Quite the opposite - as the first nutcase with melon sized balls to have achieved such a feat he's being lauded as a god . . . .and rightly so.
. . .If Izaak Walton had a baitboat, deeper and drone he would have def used them . . .
I'm not a drone owner, but if I was fishing a windswept inland sea that took a day to walk around I would 100% be considering one . . .its not cheating, its just using tech to maximise your available time. Having played with a drone (not whilst fishing) it also requires a modicum of skill to use it effectively, its not ever going to guarantee you fish, just maybe give you a fighting chance to help locate them on a clear day . . .
Tech has moved on and its being embraced, not dismissed in other sports . . .admittedly carp fishing isn't as hardcore but have a look here - K2 descent on skis
If you watch the full version you'll see the whole descent (which was effectively blind) was tracked live by a guy with a drone who relayed the issues in advance via comms - this was essential to ensure the skier didn't make a wrong turn, which on K2 even without skis would end up in guaranteed death. Using it didn't guarantee success, it just gave him a few % more luck points to complete the challenge without dying. A drone was also used to ship medicine to the skiers buddy who got sick just below the deathzone on the climb up and was left on his own. . .he wouldn't have made it down without a drone as he would have died before anyone got the chance to deliver the drugs. . .
Has the extreme ski community dissed this guy and his team for using a drone? Quite the opposite - as the first nutcase with melon sized balls to have achieved such a feat he's being lauded as a god . . . .and rightly so.
In reply to Post #93
That is absolutely insane. Just wow
That is absolutely insane. Just wow
In reply to Post #93
Thats awesome, he is achieving something that really couldn't be achieved before the technology. I agree if i was fishing an inland sea with a handful of fish i would happily use a drone.
But for the most part that people talk about, its the same as a ski person (skier?) using a drone to spot them selves down milton keynes indoor ski slope. And i'm sure that wouldn't be embraced in the skiing world.
Thats awesome, he is achieving something that really couldn't be achieved before the technology. I agree if i was fishing an inland sea with a handful of fish i would happily use a drone.
But for the most part that people talk about, its the same as a ski person (skier?) using a drone to spot them selves down milton keynes indoor ski slope. And i'm sure that wouldn't be embraced in the skiing world.
Only got to watch the films put out by the well known tackle companies now, they all ping drones up for birds eye shots. The art of watercraft will soon be a lost skill, they don't have to do any of it now on these vids, they turn up, sling a drone up, find the fish and get on em, they even put em up mid sesh and if the fish have moved.... move on them. They make out like they have found them without the drone but thats complete tosh. Yes it will inevitably increase their chances of catching for the camera but its not teaching the new bread of anglers any form of water craft what so ever.
I can see a time when anglers will get a drone in the air before theyve even left home let alone get their gear out the car. Find the fish, then get around to the lake, send their stealth boat out with military grade sonar, thermal imagining and camera. Then they drop their flip spinner, anti eject, super balanced fandango rig onto the spot. Carp don't stand a chance 🤣
I can see a time when anglers will get a drone in the air before theyve even left home let alone get their gear out the car. Find the fish, then get around to the lake, send their stealth boat out with military grade sonar, thermal imagining and camera. Then they drop their flip spinner, anti eject, super balanced fandango rig onto the spot. Carp don't stand a chance 🤣
The last few words of post 96 say it all unfortunately. "Carp don't stand a chance" The carp are supposed to have a chance.in fact they are supposed to have the advantage of their environment. That's the sporting contest between the hunter and his quarry. Hand and eye, brains and skill against the carp and its environment, senses and instincts. If a catch is to be worth anything, its not supposed to be easy. It's why I became obsessed with carp angling.
The use of thousands of pounds worth of technology that operates beyond the senses of the fish and multiplies the senses of the angler, giving him massive advantages he doesn't naturally possess completely devalues the sport of angling. It takes away the the fishes sanctuaries, it removes the advantages the fish get from their environment that make them hard to find and difficult to approach.
And then to cap it off carp persons( dont know what else to call them) create utterly artificial ponds and lakes with ridiculous stocking levels to make it even easier. Marker poles in swims that are fed daily??
A Passion for Angling bought us a few decades of good will. I think that if the general public informed by the antis see what modern carp and match fishing have become then the sport of angling will be finished. We are a tiny minority who are seen as bit odd by most. The GB public won't tolerate a sniff of cruelty. Snow and mountains are inanimate, use of equipment is all about enablement and risk control. Completely different sporting philosophy.
The use of thousands of pounds worth of technology that operates beyond the senses of the fish and multiplies the senses of the angler, giving him massive advantages he doesn't naturally possess completely devalues the sport of angling. It takes away the the fishes sanctuaries, it removes the advantages the fish get from their environment that make them hard to find and difficult to approach.
And then to cap it off carp persons( dont know what else to call them) create utterly artificial ponds and lakes with ridiculous stocking levels to make it even easier. Marker poles in swims that are fed daily??
A Passion for Angling bought us a few decades of good will. I think that if the general public informed by the antis see what modern carp and match fishing have become then the sport of angling will be finished. We are a tiny minority who are seen as bit odd by most. The GB public won't tolerate a sniff of cruelty. Snow and mountains are inanimate, use of equipment is all about enablement and risk control. Completely different sporting philosophy.
If I only had a week or so on a massive expanse of water I'd happily use a drone to help, likewise I'd have saved myself a fortune and a few weeks of searching rivers and coastlines had I had one on previous trips.
On a 5 acre carp puddle 20 minutes from home, it's ridiculous
On a 5 acre carp puddle 20 minutes from home, it's ridiculous
In reply to Post #97
I can't say I agree with the initial part of your post when you say "carp are supposed to have a chance." I get what you're intention. Both your post and the one above hit the nail on the head.
Over the last few months I've been using a bait boat. Now don't get me wrong, being able to fish at mega long range and have a sonar is amazing and has given me the ability to fish where I'd never be able to get to. To be honest, it's totally synthetic and unattached. I had thought about using a drone for the place that I'm fishing simply down to stock levels and size of the place. Reality kicked in whereby I came to my senses and never took it any further, I mean, what's really the point in going when I can just make it happen, find the fish from the air, drop a rig off and wait for the rod to rattle off; absolutely dreadful. Why even bother going out ever again, just plug into your terminal, load up your favourite venue from the vast catalogue, and go Virtual Carp Fishing™.
I can't say I agree with the initial part of your post when you say "carp are supposed to have a chance." I get what you're intention. Both your post and the one above hit the nail on the head.
Over the last few months I've been using a bait boat. Now don't get me wrong, being able to fish at mega long range and have a sonar is amazing and has given me the ability to fish where I'd never be able to get to. To be honest, it's totally synthetic and unattached. I had thought about using a drone for the place that I'm fishing simply down to stock levels and size of the place. Reality kicked in whereby I came to my senses and never took it any further, I mean, what's really the point in going when I can just make it happen, find the fish from the air, drop a rig off and wait for the rod to rattle off; absolutely dreadful. Why even bother going out ever again, just plug into your terminal, load up your favourite venue from the vast catalogue, and go Virtual Carp Fishing™.
In reply to Post #99
Didn't realise people were dropping rigs with them, **** me. I was thinking more scan an area for fish and whizz round there in the boat/van
Didn't realise people were dropping rigs with them, **** me. I was thinking more scan an area for fish and whizz round there in the boat/van
In reply to Post #100
Yeah, saw it ages back with people doing it sea fishing. Bit heartbreaking really.
Yeah, saw it ages back with people doing it sea fishing. Bit heartbreaking really.
In reply to Post #101
I understand with sea fishing, the ocean is vast
But not on a small lake, that's mental
I understand with sea fishing, the ocean is vast
But not on a small lake, that's mental
In reply to Post #102
It's like I can see the arguments for all of these things, like castable sonar's, it's just a pimped up marker float that's bang accurate, a drone is just like climbing trees and spotting fish essentially in a way. It's like how far down the road do you want to take things?
The buzz for me is fishing a nightmare place, with rules that massively handicap the angler, hardly any fish, massive water, but when you do have one, it's like you've won the lottery however big or small that fish is; the size is irrelevant, it's the unlocking of the door that's the magic part of it all. The places rammed full of fish like Wrasbury for instance just doesn't do it for me, take all the fish out and leave 20 or so in there, join both lakes up and go back to the old rules, now we're talking, hell, even make half of it out of bounds...and no drones.
It's like I can see the arguments for all of these things, like castable sonar's, it's just a pimped up marker float that's bang accurate, a drone is just like climbing trees and spotting fish essentially in a way. It's like how far down the road do you want to take things?
The buzz for me is fishing a nightmare place, with rules that massively handicap the angler, hardly any fish, massive water, but when you do have one, it's like you've won the lottery however big or small that fish is; the size is irrelevant, it's the unlocking of the door that's the magic part of it all. The places rammed full of fish like Wrasbury for instance just doesn't do it for me, take all the fish out and leave 20 or so in there, join both lakes up and go back to the old rules, now we're talking, hell, even make half of it out of bounds...and no drones.
In reply to Post #95
Agree with your point - 'perspective' needs to be taken into consideration if using a drone, however you could argue who sets the cut off point for what is deemed reasonable or not - any lake under 30 acres = no drones?
Slightly off topic but boringly or not, a British climber (Rick Allen) was lost on Broad Peak (adjacent mountain) at the time of the K2 descent . . .he had fallen badly off an ice cliff on a solo ascent and was basically lost, injured and therefore f**ked/dead. A call went out and the guy that was tracking the K2 skier 'nipped' across the valley and spotted him with the same drone in the middle of nowhere. . .a call went out and he was rescued. When interviewed afterwards the climber mentioned he hated drones when climbing as it ruined the purity of the experience but soon changed his stance when he realised the tech had effectively saved his bacon . . .
Agree with your point - 'perspective' needs to be taken into consideration if using a drone, however you could argue who sets the cut off point for what is deemed reasonable or not - any lake under 30 acres = no drones?
Slightly off topic but boringly or not, a British climber (Rick Allen) was lost on Broad Peak (adjacent mountain) at the time of the K2 descent . . .he had fallen badly off an ice cliff on a solo ascent and was basically lost, injured and therefore f**ked/dead. A call went out and the guy that was tracking the K2 skier 'nipped' across the valley and spotted him with the same drone in the middle of nowhere. . .a call went out and he was rescued. When interviewed afterwards the climber mentioned he hated drones when climbing as it ruined the purity of the experience but soon changed his stance when he realised the tech had effectively saved his bacon . . .
In reply to Post #104
Use drones 24/7 if you like just not where orher anglers are bothered with that f.... noise they make.... I dont come in your swim running chainsaw just for fun so dont do the same by flying it over my head.
Use drones 24/7 if you like just not where orher anglers are bothered with that f.... noise they make.... I dont come in your swim running chainsaw just for fun so dont do the same by flying it over my head.
In reply to Post #97
Halfcentury.... That is very well put sir!
Drones are the work of the devil. Clearly a lot of you love the idea... Just you wait until you fish a pit where they are in solid constant use for a year!!
They take ALL the skill out of carp fishing. All of it. Why bother baiting up and getting a spot going anymore? Just use your drone to find everyone else's spot! Let them do your work for you.... Little crowds of very bad anglers with zero watercraft, know where the carp are, at ALL times. It ruins a pit very quickly indeed.
I could always put some 50's into a barrel for you... You could easily shoot them from point blank range. Sort of like Call Of Duty and carp fishing combined. Triffic.
Halfcentury.... That is very well put sir!
Drones are the work of the devil. Clearly a lot of you love the idea... Just you wait until you fish a pit where they are in solid constant use for a year!!
They take ALL the skill out of carp fishing. All of it. Why bother baiting up and getting a spot going anymore? Just use your drone to find everyone else's spot! Let them do your work for you.... Little crowds of very bad anglers with zero watercraft, know where the carp are, at ALL times. It ruins a pit very quickly indeed.
I could always put some 50's into a barrel for you... You could easily shoot them from point blank range. Sort of like Call Of Duty and carp fishing combined. Triffic.