In reply to Post #71
on that occasion, i used a normal bottom bait, but drilled centre out and placed a bit of cork inside, not to make it pop up, more to make it lighter
on that occasion, i used a normal bottom bait, but drilled centre out and placed a bit of cork inside, not to make it pop up, more to make it lighter
In reply to Post #76
I don't even bother with that Joss.
i don't like the idea of baits wafting around more than necessary when carp are in the area.
Each to their own
I don't even bother with that Joss.
i don't like the idea of baits wafting around more than necessary when carp are in the area.
Each to their own
I've never quite understood the rationale behind baiting with one type of bait - presumably to get the fish comfortable feeding upon it - and then using another type of bait as your hook bait. It just doesn't seem to be a logical decision to make at all. In fact, I think it's completely irrational. However, I also think carp are dumb so it probably doesn't matter anyway.
In reply to Post #78
Unless you had a chance to watch them feed and saw how more atractive, paste wraped or just in your face colour was the first one to go when the fsh came in. There is no right or wrong here... Different situation different water different tactics... Both baits have their use matching and totaly off... Been proven many many times.... Especially when there is a competitive feeding going on there is room for getti g that extra or faster bite...
Unless you had a chance to watch them feed and saw how more atractive, paste wraped or just in your face colour was the first one to go when the fsh came in. There is no right or wrong here... Different situation different water different tactics... Both baits have their use matching and totaly off... Been proven many many times.... Especially when there is a competitive feeding going on there is room for getti g that extra or faster bite...
In reply to Post #77
exactly and we dont need some self confessed "expert" saying one has got it all wrong...and then end their thesis with
"i'm not having a pop"
"i know, someone told me"
"Ive observed this myself"
I had one bloke trying to tell me bright pink pop up wont work as the fish are sacred of them?
Blimmey, "if those fish can see in 14ft of very cloudy water, im impressed, and how come ive caught 24 carp this week including 7 x 40's and a 57 common and you've had 4 x 20's"
experts....worlds full of them
exactly and we dont need some self confessed "expert" saying one has got it all wrong...and then end their thesis with
"i'm not having a pop"
"i know, someone told me"
"Ive observed this myself"
I had one bloke trying to tell me bright pink pop up wont work as the fish are sacred of them?
Blimmey, "if those fish can see in 14ft of very cloudy water, im impressed, and how come ive caught 24 carp this week including 7 x 40's and a 57 common and you've had 4 x 20's"
experts....worlds full of them
In reply to Post #80
Cheer up Joss for ferks sake it's been a nice year for you lol
Cheer up Joss for ferks sake it's been a nice year for you lol
In reply to Post #80
Where would we be without experts though
Where would we be without experts though
In reply to Post #81
how can i be anything But!
Im blessed, just find certain topics quite sad
how can i be anything But!
Im blessed, just find certain topics quite sad
In reply to Post #82
in a better place
in a better place
In reply to Post #1
I would imagine your bog standard Fluoro pop up sold by the likes of dna, sticky and mainline are quite profitable, so is it really any surprise the carp fishing marketing juggernaut is doing its best to persuade us you need one on your hook covered in bait booster and powder to catch anything? Call me a cynic and all that!
I also don't agree with the notion that if a liquid is natural it cannot be over done either. That hasn't been my experience.
Same as most things in fishing, flouros and liquids at times will work for you, but I firmly believe at times they'll also work against you. Probably now more than ever when it seems like everyone is being conditioned to make their hookbaits as loud as possible.
I would imagine your bog standard Fluoro pop up sold by the likes of dna, sticky and mainline are quite profitable, so is it really any surprise the carp fishing marketing juggernaut is doing its best to persuade us you need one on your hook covered in bait booster and powder to catch anything? Call me a cynic and all that!
I also don't agree with the notion that if a liquid is natural it cannot be over done either. That hasn't been my experience.
Same as most things in fishing, flouros and liquids at times will work for you, but I firmly believe at times they'll also work against you. Probably now more than ever when it seems like everyone is being conditioned to make their hookbaits as loud as possible.
In reply to Post #85
Glad somebody has said that. I'll use liquids etc at times, but if I were using a boilie and it ‘needed' soaking in anything to be effective in the eyes of the roller; I'd jog it on and buy something with a good track record as a stand alone bait.
Glad somebody has said that. I'll use liquids etc at times, but if I were using a boilie and it ‘needed' soaking in anything to be effective in the eyes of the roller; I'd jog it on and buy something with a good track record as a stand alone bait.
In reply to Post #86
I've been in the reverse situation, trying to tell customers they don't need to add anything but they want to be "edgey" and "different".
I do think that all baits benefit a dash of hydro, but thats because you're adding it after the heat stage and in an non compromised form. but thats down to each angler and what they prefer, and if they feel it necessary.
A bait has to work harder on a river, or on a larger body of water to retain its attraction long enough for when a carp pops by and I genuinely feel liquids can offer an easy to use solution.
so its not saying " the bait NEEDS this" rather, its an option that might make a difference ?
I've been in the reverse situation, trying to tell customers they don't need to add anything but they want to be "edgey" and "different".
I do think that all baits benefit a dash of hydro, but thats because you're adding it after the heat stage and in an non compromised form. but thats down to each angler and what they prefer, and if they feel it necessary.
A bait has to work harder on a river, or on a larger body of water to retain its attraction long enough for when a carp pops by and I genuinely feel liquids can offer an easy to use solution.
so its not saying " the bait NEEDS this" rather, its an option that might make a difference ?
In reply to Post #87
I've got time for you mozzi, you know that.. but your entire post, except the first line, is what I'm talking about.
What's to stop you adding the hydro post boiling and charging accordingly if that's what you feel makes the bait perform optimally?
And how does a dash of liquid on the surface of a bait that's submerged for a period of time in said larger bodies of water outperform/outlast or improve the solid and liquid ingredients already within the bait itself?
Surely after a few hours that dash of liquid is long gone..
I've got time for you mozzi, you know that.. but your entire post, except the first line, is what I'm talking about.
What's to stop you adding the hydro post boiling and charging accordingly if that's what you feel makes the bait perform optimally?
And how does a dash of liquid on the surface of a bait that's submerged for a period of time in said larger bodies of water outperform/outlast or improve the solid and liquid ingredients already within the bait itself?
Surely after a few hours that dash of liquid is long gone..
In reply to Post #88
Ah right I wasn't clear!
With my baits and I can't speak for others they do receive an additional hydrolysate, as well as two other processes I believe optimise them. They are then dried as per normal.
The reason a lot of people don't if I'm honest I think it's probably the crates, they only hold 4kg max for efficient drying, I fill 50/60 trays with hydro covered bait and by the time they dry it's builds up. Cleaning can be annoying especially when you only use water and not chemicals, I don't mind it as I have a pressure washer lol
The other thing is obviously depending on the time of year naturally dried bait can vary in time taken, this is exacerbated with hydros.
However to play devils advocate here it goes to the consumer dry, they freeze and defrost it and suck it further in, by the consumer adding an extra layer of hydros on top of them you prolong leakage by a long while.
Plus some people find playing with bait fun, and I advocate that because it becomes more of an interest and people become more discerning in where and who they purchase from, without bogging myself up here that's more my customer base.
If that all makes sense?
Ah right I wasn't clear!
With my baits and I can't speak for others they do receive an additional hydrolysate, as well as two other processes I believe optimise them. They are then dried as per normal.
The reason a lot of people don't if I'm honest I think it's probably the crates, they only hold 4kg max for efficient drying, I fill 50/60 trays with hydro covered bait and by the time they dry it's builds up. Cleaning can be annoying especially when you only use water and not chemicals, I don't mind it as I have a pressure washer lol
The other thing is obviously depending on the time of year naturally dried bait can vary in time taken, this is exacerbated with hydros.
However to play devils advocate here it goes to the consumer dry, they freeze and defrost it and suck it further in, by the consumer adding an extra layer of hydros on top of them you prolong leakage by a long while.
Plus some people find playing with bait fun, and I advocate that because it becomes more of an interest and people become more discerning in where and who they purchase from, without bogging myself up here that's more my customer base.
If that all makes sense?
What happened to the trend of washing out baits? Saw a lot of people using a high attract hookbait over washed out baits.