In reply to Post #77
Certainly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pie eyed looking through rose tinted glasses however my posts my come across. I won't disagree that what RK have done in respect of fencing isn't a good thing and definitely the money has to come from somewhere. All of that aside, the trend now is to fill a place full of fish and anglers whereas where I'm coming from maybe this could be done in a different way, essentially low stock, big fish and still gain profit from that.
I don't know anything about Yately as I never fished it or have anything to do with it. I'll take a look when I get the chance 👍
Certainly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pie eyed looking through rose tinted glasses however my posts my come across. I won't disagree that what RK have done in respect of fencing isn't a good thing and definitely the money has to come from somewhere. All of that aside, the trend now is to fill a place full of fish and anglers whereas where I'm coming from maybe this could be done in a different way, essentially low stock, big fish and still gain profit from that.
I don't know anything about Yately as I never fished it or have anything to do with it. I'll take a look when I get the chance 👍
In reply to Post #78
But you're singling out wraysbury 1, wraysbury 2 is low stock, so is kingsmead island and crayfish pool.
Horton and k1 has always had lots of big fish in it, wraysbury 1 has been stocked but where else do you have 45 acres with loads of space and lots of lovely fish. That ticket they've put together has absolutely everything someone could want, you could spend a lifetime fishing their portfolio no matter what you want. That's what they aimed to do and they've done it. Just because they've got big fish in, doesn't mean they're mugs waters.
But you're singling out wraysbury 1, wraysbury 2 is low stock, so is kingsmead island and crayfish pool.
Horton and k1 has always had lots of big fish in it, wraysbury 1 has been stocked but where else do you have 45 acres with loads of space and lots of lovely fish. That ticket they've put together has absolutely everything someone could want, you could spend a lifetime fishing their portfolio no matter what you want. That's what they aimed to do and they've done it. Just because they've got big fish in, doesn't mean they're mugs waters.
In reply to Post #78
The thing is there simply aren't enough anglers out there that want to fish large, low stocked venues, and importantly, are willing to pay what it would take to make it viable.
Lea Valley Parks Fisheries, the name tells you instantly why they're very different from the old Cemex portfolio, they're publicly owned. In the past these sort of places didn't need to be self funding or profit making, that is all changing now. It's why country parks where you might take your dog for a walk now have parking charges.
The only LV water I know anything much about is Glenn Faba. 65 acres with a decent head of fish going well into the 40lb+ bracket, and bloody cheap IMO. You'd think it would be nigh on impossible to get a ticket wouldn't you? Nope. A quick phone call, letter sent and a ticket offered for the next season. Very high turnover of members, because most new members soon realise that they don't really want to fish a reasonably hard water.
The thing is there simply aren't enough anglers out there that want to fish large, low stocked venues, and importantly, are willing to pay what it would take to make it viable.
Lea Valley Parks Fisheries, the name tells you instantly why they're very different from the old Cemex portfolio, they're publicly owned. In the past these sort of places didn't need to be self funding or profit making, that is all changing now. It's why country parks where you might take your dog for a walk now have parking charges.
The only LV water I know anything much about is Glenn Faba. 65 acres with a decent head of fish going well into the 40lb+ bracket, and bloody cheap IMO. You'd think it would be nigh on impossible to get a ticket wouldn't you? Nope. A quick phone call, letter sent and a ticket offered for the next season. Very high turnover of members, because most new members soon realise that they don't really want to fish a reasonably hard water.
In reply to Post #72
If you could point me in the direction of a coherent point regarding LV vs RK I would be happy to.
How they are a 'like for like' comparison for I'm not sure. The LV waters are part of thousands of acres of land managed by a taxpayer funded Authority.
Are you suggesting that the LVA has done a better job at managing their waters than RK because they have kept ticket prices low?
Have you walked around Bowyers or the NM recently? More labradoodles and electric scooters than anglers. The ticket prices are low because the angling is a minor detail in the bigger open access park picture. The amount they bring in on tickets will be peanuts compared to the taxpayer funding.
Given the choice I would rather pay 3 x the ticket to a rich man from Mayfair and keep the public/poachers/vandals/thieves/doggers out/ (Maybe not the doggers).
You also know the lakes will still be there in 2/3 years time, unfortunately more than you can say for LV at the minute.
If you could point me in the direction of a coherent point regarding LV vs RK I would be happy to.
How they are a 'like for like' comparison for I'm not sure. The LV waters are part of thousands of acres of land managed by a taxpayer funded Authority.
Are you suggesting that the LVA has done a better job at managing their waters than RK because they have kept ticket prices low?
Have you walked around Bowyers or the NM recently? More labradoodles and electric scooters than anglers. The ticket prices are low because the angling is a minor detail in the bigger open access park picture. The amount they bring in on tickets will be peanuts compared to the taxpayer funding.
Given the choice I would rather pay 3 x the ticket to a rich man from Mayfair and keep the public/poachers/vandals/thieves/doggers out/ (Maybe not the doggers).
You also know the lakes will still be there in 2/3 years time, unfortunately more than you can say for LV at the minute.
In reply to Post #78
W2 is the exact lake that you are describing, financially supported by the 'noddy lake' next door. Huge, largely unknown low stock, wild swims and no facilities. The only difference is it has a fence to try and keep the neighbours from nicking your boat and fish.
But of course, you would know that, having fished it.
W2 is the exact lake that you are describing, financially supported by the 'noddy lake' next door. Huge, largely unknown low stock, wild swims and no facilities. The only difference is it has a fence to try and keep the neighbours from nicking your boat and fish.
But of course, you would know that, having fished it.
In reply to Post #79
But you're singling out wraysbury 1
Because one of the posters brought it up.
But you're singling out wraysbury 1
Because one of the posters brought it up.
In reply to Post #79
Just because they've got big fish in, doesn't mean they're mugs waters
Agree. There's ~500 carp in W1 so ~11 an acre. While I would consider this a very, very "healthy" stock indeed it's not exactly Linear where the waters hold 4 times that and are a fraction of the size. I'd certainly not call it "insane stocks of fish" as quoted on this thread. Very, very well stocked yes, insane no.
Just because they've got big fish in, doesn't mean they're mugs waters
Agree. There's ~500 carp in W1 so ~11 an acre. While I would consider this a very, very "healthy" stock indeed it's not exactly Linear where the waters hold 4 times that and are a fraction of the size. I'd certainly not call it "insane stocks of fish" as quoted on this thread. Very, very well stocked yes, insane no.
In reply to Post #80
Lea Valley parks is a weird one. It's part funded by council tax, to what part I really have no idea.
Faba, ha, you don't know much about it clearly.
Lea Valley parks is a weird one. It's part funded by council tax, to what part I really have no idea.
Faba, ha, you don't know much about it clearly.
In reply to Post #81
I was comparing what Wraysbury was to what LV waters are and have been.
Yup, the North .Met is hell on earth, not my flavour.
I was comparing what Wraysbury was to what LV waters are and have been.
Yup, the North .Met is hell on earth, not my flavour.
In reply to Post #84
Meh.
1 fish a acre would have been more than enough, 500?
Meh.
1 fish a acre would have been more than enough, 500?
In reply to Post #85
I think I'd take Andy's information, a guy who runs his own water in the area, over a anonymous keyboard warrior who gets his info from Google.
I think I'd take Andy's information, a guy who runs his own water in the area, over a anonymous keyboard warrior who gets his info from Google.
In reply to Post #87
500 in the lake, not an acre. For what it's worth, we're going to hire the island on Wraysbury 1, five swims and a canopy for a social, tonnes of water and nice fish to go after, they're literally catering for everyone with their portfolio.
At the end of the day, everyone has the choice of what they fish.
If i didn't have a business, partner and social life, I'd join RK in a heartbeat. You get a lot of water/tickets for the money in all reality, yes Horton Church and Kingsmead 1 are busy but the rest aren't. They haven't stuck hundreds of RH fish in or horrible croation bloaters on, they're growing their own fish from Fry, they've fenced their waters and stopped them becoming runways... I genuinely can't see your grievance, there's waters for everyone all over the south.
500 in the lake, not an acre. For what it's worth, we're going to hire the island on Wraysbury 1, five swims and a canopy for a social, tonnes of water and nice fish to go after, they're literally catering for everyone with their portfolio.
At the end of the day, everyone has the choice of what they fish.
If i didn't have a business, partner and social life, I'd join RK in a heartbeat. You get a lot of water/tickets for the money in all reality, yes Horton Church and Kingsmead 1 are busy but the rest aren't. They haven't stuck hundreds of RH fish in or horrible croation bloaters on, they're growing their own fish from Fry, they've fenced their waters and stopped them becoming runways... I genuinely can't see your grievance, there's waters for everyone all over the south.
In reply to Post #87
At what stage in this arduous pursuit of nameless leviathans over the hostile terrain of lesser trodden pathways and through the mental anguish of meritorious waters do you send the rigs out by gps
At what stage in this arduous pursuit of nameless leviathans over the hostile terrain of lesser trodden pathways and through the mental anguish of meritorious waters do you send the rigs out by gps
In reply to Post #90
In reply to Post #90
Fantastic
Fantastic