In reply to Post #73
You can always rely on a helmet.
You can always rely on a helmet.
In reply to Post #76
Thanks for the compliment
As Mal would say peace and love man, peace and love
Thanks for the compliment
As Mal would say peace and love man, peace and love
In reply to Post #77
Happy to oblige. Live like you wanna live Mal.
Happy to oblige. Live like you wanna live Mal.
In reply to Post #73
As the great business guru 'neal' once said. ...
We plant the seed. .. nature grows the seed... we eat the seed. ..
Sounds like fiscal nirvana to me
As the great business guru 'neal' once said. ...
We plant the seed. .. nature grows the seed... we eat the seed. ..
Sounds like fiscal nirvana to me
In reply to Post #74
I'd add- willingly throwing away other people's hard earned money into that equation as well.
What was my favourite water, a 45 acre Res. got a family of Otters take up residence on it a couple of years back, I've not fished it since. The Club who have it have gone from being a thriving Club with a waiting list, to the point where they are struggling to pay the lease/insurance!
I'd predict it will become a basic coarse water with just Bream, Roach and Perch present, as all three species re-populate year on year. The question is – is there enough Anglers who want to fish waters like this to pay the bills – doubt it.
I'd add- willingly throwing away other people's hard earned money into that equation as well.
What was my favourite water, a 45 acre Res. got a family of Otters take up residence on it a couple of years back, I've not fished it since. The Club who have it have gone from being a thriving Club with a waiting list, to the point where they are struggling to pay the lease/insurance!
I'd predict it will become a basic coarse water with just Bream, Roach and Perch present, as all three species re-populate year on year. The question is – is there enough Anglers who want to fish waters like this to pay the bills – doubt it.
In reply to Post #63
Aren't you one of the real bottom feeders from Carpy?
Thanks for your contribution to the thread....
PM for you GB
Aren't you one of the real bottom feeders from Carpy?
Thanks for your contribution to the thread....
PM for you GB
In reply to Post #61
Guilt trips, maturity? No.
The guy that skippered the boat also had a fish smoking business, I didn't know this when booking the trip. Greed on his behalf and nativity on mine that has never been repeated.
Guilt trips, maturity? No.
The guy that skippered the boat also had a fish smoking business, I didn't know this when booking the trip. Greed on his behalf and nativity on mine that has never been repeated.
In reply to Post #80
That could be a summary of a lot of waters near me Keith when they arrive. That's the reality, bloody do gooders
That could be a summary of a lot of waters near me Keith when they arrive. That's the reality, bloody do gooders
The fluffy animal lovers are a weirdly hypocritical bunch....Matey gets jailed for shooting (HUMANE DISPATCH),yet the Barrister or QC who CLUBBED a fox to death on Boxing day walks free?? The RSPCA claimed the fox was killed HUMANELY...? Excuse me but *****( I cant swear)!!!?? This stinks of a class orientated prosecution and as such should be challenged. What the shooter did cannot be condoned ever, should be but taken into account when his financial world was in turmoil. Maybe because Mr fox has for whatever reason mauled a child or three ,he is more of a legitimate and visible target than Lutra for wannabe killers ?
In reply to Post #84
The difference could also be down to the number of witnesses. If the guy who killed the fox had kept it quiet nobody would have known about it. Doesn't make it the right thing to do though.
The difference could also be down to the number of witnesses. If the guy who killed the fox had kept it quiet nobody would have known about it. Doesn't make it the right thing to do though.
In reply to Post #81
Thanks for your contribution to the thread....
You're welcome, it's all about the information.
Thanks for your contribution to the thread....
You're welcome, it's all about the information.
In reply to Post #86
I've been aware of this case since the day the fool shot the otter.
The traps set illegally for all to see, the angler who caught the otter in the landing net, then the owner called his wife over to bring his gun and he shot it in front of quite a few people.
the total stupidity of his actions will reach far and wide and all the hardwork of bringing otter people and anglers, fishery owners, Angling Trust, NE, all together has implications now.
he could have fenced that water, no excuses, he just didn't want to spend any money and now he is paying the price, and that cost will be a lot more for him now an in the future.
The man is a fool and his actions now affect every angler in the country.
ironically, since the shooting, another otter has replaced the dead one, so how many has he shot before getting caught?
the whole argument about "farmers rights" is weak at best, sheep aren't a protected species, so no point using that as a weak point to make, the same as on the other side of the fence we always hear from non angling world that carp are a "non native" species...another pathetic argument.
Lets face it, waters that can be fenced, should be fence, or face losing stock, the cost of fence need NOT be ridiculous, and they need NOT be 6 ft tall and looking like a zoo fence. YES, the more one can do the better, but practically and financially certain types of fences are difficult to convince, especially land owners.
once fenced, legally, you can live trap an otter, but ONLY if said trapper is trained and registered. again, its NOT the answer, but more of an insurance policy, should a fenced water have a breech in its defences.
I've been aware of this case since the day the fool shot the otter.
The traps set illegally for all to see, the angler who caught the otter in the landing net, then the owner called his wife over to bring his gun and he shot it in front of quite a few people.
the total stupidity of his actions will reach far and wide and all the hardwork of bringing otter people and anglers, fishery owners, Angling Trust, NE, all together has implications now.
he could have fenced that water, no excuses, he just didn't want to spend any money and now he is paying the price, and that cost will be a lot more for him now an in the future.
The man is a fool and his actions now affect every angler in the country.
ironically, since the shooting, another otter has replaced the dead one, so how many has he shot before getting caught?
the whole argument about "farmers rights" is weak at best, sheep aren't a protected species, so no point using that as a weak point to make, the same as on the other side of the fence we always hear from non angling world that carp are a "non native" species...another pathetic argument.
Lets face it, waters that can be fenced, should be fence, or face losing stock, the cost of fence need NOT be ridiculous, and they need NOT be 6 ft tall and looking like a zoo fence. YES, the more one can do the better, but practically and financially certain types of fences are difficult to convince, especially land owners.
once fenced, legally, you can live trap an otter, but ONLY if said trapper is trained and registered. again, its NOT the answer, but more of an insurance policy, should a fenced water have a breech in its defences.
Perhaps a view from another perspective. By the middle of the 20th century when I was born, victoriana methods of game management, industrial pollution and environment loss and
damage had reduced many of the predatory species of birds and mammals to the brink of extinction with tiny populations hanging on in remote corners. In my lifetime a long and continuing battle has been fought to change this. I am glad to say many victories have been won and the situation is improving. Particularly(bear this in mind) the awareness and perceptions of the general public in regard to environmental matters. The return of the Otter is a massive victory to pretty much everyone( except the owners and users of modern carp fisheries including match style venues stuffed with f1s) including the many anglers who love the natural environment.
Carp angling in particular and angling in general had better get on board or we will be the ones facing extinction. If its a choice between being able to take my grandchildren to see a peregrine, hobby, red kite, golden Eagle barn owl. Pine marten, or Otter, or take them to catch damaged, stew bred carp utterly dependent on anglers baits in an expensive and characterless muddy puddle the choice is an easy one.
damage had reduced many of the predatory species of birds and mammals to the brink of extinction with tiny populations hanging on in remote corners. In my lifetime a long and continuing battle has been fought to change this. I am glad to say many victories have been won and the situation is improving. Particularly(bear this in mind) the awareness and perceptions of the general public in regard to environmental matters. The return of the Otter is a massive victory to pretty much everyone( except the owners and users of modern carp fisheries including match style venues stuffed with f1s) including the many anglers who love the natural environment.
Carp angling in particular and angling in general had better get on board or we will be the ones facing extinction. If its a choice between being able to take my grandchildren to see a peregrine, hobby, red kite, golden Eagle barn owl. Pine marten, or Otter, or take them to catch damaged, stew bred carp utterly dependent on anglers baits in an expensive and characterless muddy puddle the choice is an easy one.
In reply to Post #88
I agree to a point, but it reaches far wider than muddy over stocked commercial lakes.
today, we know the risks of predation, there's so much chatter and advice available, if one chooses to ignore it, then they face the inevitable
fishing, is a massively important part of many lives, from young children watching a little red quill float to the more serious angler and lets not forget, we are the guardians of many waters ways
I agree to a point, but it reaches far wider than muddy over stocked commercial lakes.
today, we know the risks of predation, there's so much chatter and advice available, if one chooses to ignore it, then they face the inevitable
fishing, is a massively important part of many lives, from young children watching a little red quill float to the more serious angler and lets not forget, we are the guardians of many waters ways
In reply to Post #89
That's the point I was making. This is far bigger than one small group of people. Many people in angling are working hard for the future and I for one appreciate that. There are much larger numbers of non anglers working hard across the whole spectrum of environmental issues and thank the Lord for that. Many of these people have no love of angling or at best are undecided. We need to get our coarse angling and particularly our carp angling house in order. There are if we are honest an increasing number of skeletons in our modern, financially driven carp industry.
That's the point I was making. This is far bigger than one small group of people. Many people in angling are working hard for the future and I for one appreciate that. There are much larger numbers of non anglers working hard across the whole spectrum of environmental issues and thank the Lord for that. Many of these people have no love of angling or at best are undecided. We need to get our coarse angling and particularly our carp angling house in order. There are if we are honest an increasing number of skeletons in our modern, financially driven carp industry.