In reply to Post #59
But surely the number 1 fundamental requirement is to know how much force is needed to break the line??
But surely the number 1 fundamental requirement is to know how much force is needed to break the line??
In reply to Post #61
Yes, but the breaking strain system is flawed. (Written before you edited your post)
Breaking how? Leader knot? Linear pull? Palomar knot? Uni knot?
I know by diameter and if the line is pre stretched or coated in something what to expect, the 12 or 15lb label is usually completely inaccurate and non descriptive
Yes, but the breaking strain system is flawed. (Written before you edited your post)
Breaking how? Leader knot? Linear pull? Palomar knot? Uni knot?
I know by diameter and if the line is pre stretched or coated in something what to expect, the 12 or 15lb label is usually completely inaccurate and non descriptive
In reply to Post #59
I agree. To me abrasion resistance is far more important. I have caught carp up to 30lb on a 6lb line while tench fishing with a float. Luckily I was fishing in open water. I have never lost a carp by the line parting on a straight pull. Most times I have had a hairy fight where the carp went into reeds or around roots or snags a thick line has saved the day.
I agree. To me abrasion resistance is far more important. I have caught carp up to 30lb on a 6lb line while tench fishing with a float. Luckily I was fishing in open water. I have never lost a carp by the line parting on a straight pull. Most times I have had a hairy fight where the carp went into reeds or around roots or snags a thick line has saved the day.
In reply to Post #61
Over the years i have tested most lines i use with both knot strengths and a true linear strength.
An example diameter of 0.35mm i usually get around 17-18lb knot strength that is around the same as whether or not the line is rated at 12lb,15lb or 24lb that leads me to believe the stated breaking strain doesn't mean a lot but and the diameter is more consistent
Over the years i have tested most lines i use with both knot strengths and a true linear strength.
An example diameter of 0.35mm i usually get around 17-18lb knot strength that is around the same as whether or not the line is rated at 12lb,15lb or 24lb that leads me to believe the stated breaking strain doesn't mean a lot but and the diameter is more consistent
In reply to Post #53
I find you ignorant, rude and insulting, are you so blind that you don't recognise it yourself?
Yes I am positive I'm correct, I worked in Tackle shops. I sold fishing line to many anglers of all disciplines. Noj and MarkerZ are the exceptions that prove the rule, they are NOT the majority.
No rules on diameter on these Fisheries, so once again, you are talking out of your rear end
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Rules | Berners Hall Fishery
our rules · Strictly barbless hooks only (no micro barbed or crimped barbs). · One Zig per angler. · No Leaders or lead core of any type. · Minimum 15lb mainline
Earith Carp Lakes
15lb maximum mainline (only mono)No braid mainline and no leadcore
Either micro-barb or whisker barb or barbless hooks
No bent hooks
Hintelsham Fisheries
7.Minimum of 15lb line to be used maximum 20lb. No braided mainline is allowed only mono and fluorocarbon.
Oh and stop going on about Henry ****ing Glibey , he's a ****ing muppet and has no relevance to this thread
Henry Gilbey is an angling journalist, these words alone make it relevant, what don't you like about that?
Or is it that an angling journalist can show you you are wrong and don't like it?
Culture - In the UK historically people bought line by breaking strain, and only in more recent times have anglers started to consider diameter in a more important way. If you are going to buy a 15lb line then you want a strong one, and you may remember an old brand called Sylcast that was famous for being exceptionally strong.
As for another point, you reckon modern lines are better than lines from 20years ago, Goose said this:
There are more choices of mono now but but some lines from 20+ years ago would still give them a good challenge, Technium black, Catana if still available, gr60, personally I still use maxima chameleon in 4,6 and 8lb for barbel and chub fishing and I've tried many of the modern alternatives but don't find them better.
I have been able to back up my arguments with quotes from other people on the thread, from websites, from Fisheries, whereas your arguments are pretty much your own imagination.
At least I have a rock I can crawl under instead of the glass house you live in
You really aren't worth the effort
I find you ignorant, rude and insulting, are you so blind that you don't recognise it yourself?
Yes I am positive I'm correct, I worked in Tackle shops. I sold fishing line to many anglers of all disciplines. Noj and MarkerZ are the exceptions that prove the rule, they are NOT the majority.
No rules on diameter on these Fisheries, so once again, you are talking out of your rear end
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Rules | Berners Hall Fishery
our rules · Strictly barbless hooks only (no micro barbed or crimped barbs). · One Zig per angler. · No Leaders or lead core of any type. · Minimum 15lb mainline
Earith Carp Lakes
15lb maximum mainline (only mono)No braid mainline and no leadcore
Either micro-barb or whisker barb or barbless hooks
No bent hooks
Hintelsham Fisheries
7.Minimum of 15lb line to be used maximum 20lb. No braided mainline is allowed only mono and fluorocarbon.
Oh and stop going on about Henry ****ing Glibey , he's a ****ing muppet and has no relevance to this thread
Henry Gilbey is an angling journalist, these words alone make it relevant, what don't you like about that?
Or is it that an angling journalist can show you you are wrong and don't like it?
Culture - In the UK historically people bought line by breaking strain, and only in more recent times have anglers started to consider diameter in a more important way. If you are going to buy a 15lb line then you want a strong one, and you may remember an old brand called Sylcast that was famous for being exceptionally strong.
As for another point, you reckon modern lines are better than lines from 20years ago, Goose said this:
There are more choices of mono now but but some lines from 20+ years ago would still give them a good challenge, Technium black, Catana if still available, gr60, personally I still use maxima chameleon in 4,6 and 8lb for barbel and chub fishing and I've tried many of the modern alternatives but don't find them better.
I have been able to back up my arguments with quotes from other people on the thread, from websites, from Fisheries, whereas your arguments are pretty much your own imagination.
At least I have a rock I can crawl under instead of the glass house you live in
You really aren't worth the effort
In reply to Post #53
With all due respect saying not looking at diameter is irresponsible isn't right. I don't need to know the diameter of my gr60 in minimum 15lb, I know it's good solid strong line. That's the important bit for the majority of anglers fishing I'd have thought? I can see diameter becoming more important for distance fishing when casting though. Both are on the labels of spools so either or, as long as what you do works for you what does it matter?
With all due respect saying not looking at diameter is irresponsible isn't right. I don't need to know the diameter of my gr60 in minimum 15lb, I know it's good solid strong line. That's the important bit for the majority of anglers fishing I'd have thought? I can see diameter becoming more important for distance fishing when casting though. Both are on the labels of spools so either or, as long as what you do works for you what does it matter?
In reply to Post #65
You're so blinkered its unreal , you are wrong , get over it , I cant be arsed reading your bull**** so I just skip past it so save your typing for someone who reads the bull
You're so blinkered its unreal , you are wrong , get over it , I cant be arsed reading your bull**** so I just skip past it so save your typing for someone who reads the bull
In reply to Post #66
Thats what I'm getting at , 15lb GR60 is 0.4mm iirc so its gonna be a strong line for its 15lb label with that diameter , you get where I'm coming from ?
So you're telling me you wouldn't look for a similar diameter line to replace the GR60 if you couldn't get any ???you'd just go for another line in 15lb without looking at diameter ? I cant see an angler of your experience not taking notice of the diameter .
Like Noj said bs stands for bull **** , think about it
Thats what I'm getting at , 15lb GR60 is 0.4mm iirc so its gonna be a strong line for its 15lb label with that diameter , you get where I'm coming from ?
So you're telling me you wouldn't look for a similar diameter line to replace the GR60 if you couldn't get any ???you'd just go for another line in 15lb without looking at diameter ? I cant see an angler of your experience not taking notice of the diameter .
Like Noj said bs stands for bull **** , think about it
In reply to Post #68
When I can't get my gr again, I'll get asso hard skin in 15lb, as I also know that is tough as anything and better than the lines aimed at the carp market. When you have line actually in your hands you can see the diameter for yourself. I can see diameter meaning something more when buying unseen. As I stick to what I know and like mostly I've no need to compare. When I tried the cm90 I didn't even look at the diameter on that, I bought a spool off the back of reviews on here ,and when I received it liked what I saw so gave it a try. If nobody used bs as a guide, they wouldn't bother putting it on the spools.
When I can't get my gr again, I'll get asso hard skin in 15lb, as I also know that is tough as anything and better than the lines aimed at the carp market. When you have line actually in your hands you can see the diameter for yourself. I can see diameter meaning something more when buying unseen. As I stick to what I know and like mostly I've no need to compare. When I tried the cm90 I didn't even look at the diameter on that, I bought a spool off the back of reviews on here ,and when I received it liked what I saw so gave it a try. If nobody used bs as a guide, they wouldn't bother putting it on the spools.
In reply to Post #68
The lines these days with so many different diameters to b.s is nuts.I use syncro xt 15lb which is 0.37mm,I tried the TA ogx line in 0.37mm and its rated at 18lb on the tin.I tend to just look at diameter now.
The lines these days with so many different diameters to b.s is nuts.I use syncro xt 15lb which is 0.37mm,I tried the TA ogx line in 0.37mm and its rated at 18lb on the tin.I tend to just look at diameter now.
In reply to Post #11
The abrasion resistance of GR60 again is a factor of its diameter versus its box rated breaking strain. there are lines out there now with greater abrasion resistance by diameter
as for fluro in weed, honestly found 17lb X line to be excellent in all situations ive used it in, including hook and hold snag fishing. have had up to 110 yards out of it on floors terry hearn rods, and played fish in lilies, weed and snags and had minimal issues. it really surprised me.
The abrasion resistance of GR60 again is a factor of its diameter versus its box rated breaking strain. there are lines out there now with greater abrasion resistance by diameter
as for fluro in weed, honestly found 17lb X line to be excellent in all situations ive used it in, including hook and hold snag fishing. have had up to 110 yards out of it on floors terry hearn rods, and played fish in lilies, weed and snags and had minimal issues. it really surprised me.
In reply to Post #71
What are these lines if you don't mind me asking?
What are these lines if you don't mind me asking?
In reply to Post #69
Korda lines are a perfect example on how much the diameter to bs can vary.I like how they do video's and say we have developed a 12lb line that sinks like a brick,check the diameter and its 0.37 or higher not really a 12lb line is it
Korda lines are a perfect example on how much the diameter to bs can vary.I like how they do video's and say we have developed a 12lb line that sinks like a brick,check the diameter and its 0.37 or higher not really a 12lb line is it
In reply to Post #73
That may well be the case Tony, but likewise some higher diameter lines are poorer when it comes to a abrasion resistance too. Big game line for instance, it's thick stuff but not all that good when up against similar lines. At the end of the day, what does it matter as long as it works for you?! Some use be,some use diameter. Who cares ?!
That may well be the case Tony, but likewise some higher diameter lines are poorer when it comes to a abrasion resistance too. Big game line for instance, it's thick stuff but not all that good when up against similar lines. At the end of the day, what does it matter as long as it works for you?! Some use be,some use diameter. Who cares ?!
I think that the generally people buy by breaking strain, I think those that consider the diameter are in the minority albeit probably a sizeable one and I'm certainly one of them. Mostly I think people buy from recommendations from other anglers which can be dangerous if the situation you are fishing isn't taken into account.
You only have to read any thread about line on here and see that there are a lot of people who haven't realised than many modern lines are pre stretched making them thinner and therefore lighter to enhance casting capability. Generally these are not what you want for fishing in weed or near snags although if you also need to fish at range you will obviously need to compromise. Manufacturers don't help with their discriptions often marketing a line as good for both casting and abrasion resistance very few if any really achieve this.
For weed and snags I like to have a margin for error and think the GR60 and synchro in 15lb are very good recommendations of the lines I have personal experience of.
You only have to read any thread about line on here and see that there are a lot of people who haven't realised than many modern lines are pre stretched making them thinner and therefore lighter to enhance casting capability. Generally these are not what you want for fishing in weed or near snags although if you also need to fish at range you will obviously need to compromise. Manufacturers don't help with their discriptions often marketing a line as good for both casting and abrasion resistance very few if any really achieve this.
For weed and snags I like to have a margin for error and think the GR60 and synchro in 15lb are very good recommendations of the lines I have personal experience of.