In reply to Post #60
That's an interesting angle, I'm sure things dissipate over time but if I'm a constant state of stimulation then I'd imagine they'll gut bust?
We're talking serious levels though, I've used 5 OTE of mixed hydros in a 48 hour session in a five acre pool before, albeit it 17ft at its shallowest
That's an interesting angle, I'm sure things dissipate over time but if I'm a constant state of stimulation then I'd imagine they'll gut bust?
We're talking serious levels though, I've used 5 OTE of mixed hydros in a 48 hour session in a five acre pool before, albeit it 17ft at its shallowest
In reply to Post #61
Agree that some things will dissipate with time but on a shallow pit and the carps senses detection being im ppm you have to wonder. In terms of ffaa I'm guessing algae etc will utilise a percentage of these and cause algae blooms, I don't know just asking the question. One lake i fish is small and shallow and quite pressured with loads of bait going in. The most productive time is after the floods which got me thinking maybe a flush through is a good leveller?
Agree that some things will dissipate with time but on a shallow pit and the carps senses detection being im ppm you have to wonder. In terms of ffaa I'm guessing algae etc will utilise a percentage of these and cause algae blooms, I don't know just asking the question. One lake i fish is small and shallow and quite pressured with loads of bait going in. The most productive time is after the floods which got me thinking maybe a flush through is a good leveller?
In reply to Post #62
Now that's interesting, We got a bloom last year that was due to the surrounding field as as much as anyone's guess. I think bait can play a part but it's a combination of ideal factors that cause these, it couldn't be forced via saturation of nutrients without the other factors such as wind and temperature / sunlight.
And I'm not sure if any particular bait would be more likely to cause this than others, it's mainly phosphates isn't it?
I can't say I've looked at algae beyond it's viability in baits to be honest ( it's good ).
But now you mention it maybe it's something to be wary of...
Now that's interesting, We got a bloom last year that was due to the surrounding field as as much as anyone's guess. I think bait can play a part but it's a combination of ideal factors that cause these, it couldn't be forced via saturation of nutrients without the other factors such as wind and temperature / sunlight.
And I'm not sure if any particular bait would be more likely to cause this than others, it's mainly phosphates isn't it?
I can't say I've looked at algae beyond it's viability in baits to be honest ( it's good ).
But now you mention it maybe it's something to be wary of...
In reply to Post #56
Concentrate on what you do and not what others do.
In the context of people 'in the trade', some people need to pay heed to this comment ☝️
Concentrate on what you do and not what others do.
In the context of people 'in the trade', some people need to pay heed to this comment ☝️
In reply to Post #64
Could always delete that comment and let things continue in their current vein of talking about bait again.....you could even contribute. have a lovely Tuesday.
Could always delete that comment and let things continue in their current vein of talking about bait again.....you could even contribute. have a lovely Tuesday.
In reply to Post #62
Flush through can be brilliant sometimes, just got to be good water, not road salt , cold water etc can kill sport.
I've noticed on small waters thay have a period in high summer
Where thay switch off for weeks sometimes, could be a rotten bait thing, we never used zigs years back to capitalise on non bottom feeders and being a poor surface angler I was snookered to some extent.
I've been on waters where the best plan of attack was a different bait every trip, so long as thay had not seen it before, maybe back then my baits were that unpalatable thay just switched off, small lake small stock.
Flush through can be brilliant sometimes, just got to be good water, not road salt , cold water etc can kill sport.
I've noticed on small waters thay have a period in high summer
Where thay switch off for weeks sometimes, could be a rotten bait thing, we never used zigs years back to capitalise on non bottom feeders and being a poor surface angler I was snookered to some extent.
I've been on waters where the best plan of attack was a different bait every trip, so long as thay had not seen it before, maybe back then my baits were that unpalatable thay just switched off, small lake small stock.
In reply to Post #66
I think, and it's only my opinion. In the hot summer temps. They prefer an easily digestible diet. I know they hang in weed beds for the oxygen content. They probably eat the snails that are attached to the weed, and the weed itself. They have to leave the weed beds at night due to the lower oxygen content. In my experience they don't go far. Weedbeds are the hotspot in the summer. If you can find a presentable spot or method.
Fishing close as possible to the weed seems to be the way to go where I fish. As long as you can be sure to land them. I've seen plenty flat rodded by a fish determined to get back into it's Lily pad home and ultimately cut off. If it's not a good chance of landing them then don't fish there.
I think, and it's only my opinion. In the hot summer temps. They prefer an easily digestible diet. I know they hang in weed beds for the oxygen content. They probably eat the snails that are attached to the weed, and the weed itself. They have to leave the weed beds at night due to the lower oxygen content. In my experience they don't go far. Weedbeds are the hotspot in the summer. If you can find a presentable spot or method.
Fishing close as possible to the weed seems to be the way to go where I fish. As long as you can be sure to land them. I've seen plenty flat rodded by a fish determined to get back into it's Lily pad home and ultimately cut off. If it's not a good chance of landing them then don't fish there.
In reply to Post #54
Trust me, reading these threads is extremely boring. Oh wait, we've been here quite a few times before havent we
As mentioned previously, i feel for the genuine original posters question and anyone who is actually seeking information without all the "scientist" barking
Trust me, reading these threads is extremely boring. Oh wait, we've been here quite a few times before havent we
As mentioned previously, i feel for the genuine original posters question and anyone who is actually seeking information without all the "scientist" barking
In reply to Post #60
Had this convo with someone I buy some bits from. We were talking about one of his products I use in stick mixes, and he was saying how one of his customers uses loads of it in his spod mix. Despite them being natural products so safe at the level, wouldn't that overload the swim and make it harder to actually find the hookbait? Bit like if you used high levels on dmpt, it might attract the fish into an area, but then would make it hard to zero in on a bait - or worse repel them.
Of course, you could use a high attract hookbait, but you're then in an arms race of making them higher and higher attract to counter the concentration of attractors in the swim.
Like a lot of things, it's an edge when there's one or two people doing it, when everyone does it can work against you - and cynically bait companies have a vested interest in people using loads of expensive liquids in their spod mix! Remember the good old mugga days when a bucket of mix could cost £80-100
Had this convo with someone I buy some bits from. We were talking about one of his products I use in stick mixes, and he was saying how one of his customers uses loads of it in his spod mix. Despite them being natural products so safe at the level, wouldn't that overload the swim and make it harder to actually find the hookbait? Bit like if you used high levels on dmpt, it might attract the fish into an area, but then would make it hard to zero in on a bait - or worse repel them.
Of course, you could use a high attract hookbait, but you're then in an arms race of making them higher and higher attract to counter the concentration of attractors in the swim.
Like a lot of things, it's an edge when there's one or two people doing it, when everyone does it can work against you - and cynically bait companies have a vested interest in people using loads of expensive liquids in their spod mix! Remember the good old mugga days when a bucket of mix could cost £80-100
In reply to Post #69
years ago, i was at Les Quis...
Bernie said me to, "Why do you want your hook bait so different to the freebies?"
Good point i thought!
Changed hookbait to what i was providing as a free offerings, 17 fish to 53lb
years ago, i was at Les Quis...
Bernie said me to, "Why do you want your hook bait so different to the freebies?"
Good point i thought!
Changed hookbait to what i was providing as a free offerings, 17 fish to 53lb
In reply to Post #70
And I assume that hookbait was fished on the bottom?
Unless the lake bottom dictates otherwise I prefer a bottom hookbait same as the freebies.
And I assume that hookbait was fished on the bottom?
Unless the lake bottom dictates otherwise I prefer a bottom hookbait same as the freebies.
In reply to Post #70
I'd bet 99% of those using a different hook bait to the free offering are using a high attract type either higher levels of flavour, glugged or brightly coloured. Maybe a less attractive hook bait would be more successful.
I'd bet 99% of those using a different hook bait to the free offering are using a high attract type either higher levels of flavour, glugged or brightly coloured. Maybe a less attractive hook bait would be more successful.
In reply to Post #72
Companies will start selling low attract hookbaits soon.......
Companies will start selling low attract hookbaits soon.......
In reply to Post #70
As an amateur bait maker for nearly 40 years I like to experiment and change baits once or twice a year, my way of judging the success of my efforts is partly based on whether when using the bait do I catch more on match the hatch hookbaits or on alternative hookbaits.
If the carp really like and want my bait they will search it out and they are going to swim right past the alternative hookbait to pick up a match the hatch bait time and time again. If I catch more on alternative hookbaits I loose confidence in my feed bait as the carp are not as switched onto it as I want.
As an amateur bait maker for nearly 40 years I like to experiment and change baits once or twice a year, my way of judging the success of my efforts is partly based on whether when using the bait do I catch more on match the hatch hookbaits or on alternative hookbaits.
If the carp really like and want my bait they will search it out and they are going to swim right past the alternative hookbait to pick up a match the hatch bait time and time again. If I catch more on alternative hookbaits I loose confidence in my feed bait as the carp are not as switched onto it as I want.
In reply to Post #74
Pretty much how I've come to view bait usage, not by the bait but by the time of year of its use.
Cold months = not much natural food about, they have only two options eat bait or ignore it.
Summer months = natural food in abundance - work with it not against it
~ All lakes are different, but the ones I fish are stuffed with naturals and stocked to levels to match - they don't need to rely on bait at all to be honest, it does make it a proper challenge.
Pretty much how I've come to view bait usage, not by the bait but by the time of year of its use.
Cold months = not much natural food about, they have only two options eat bait or ignore it.
Summer months = natural food in abundance - work with it not against it
~ All lakes are different, but the ones I fish are stuffed with naturals and stocked to levels to match - they don't need to rely on bait at all to be honest, it does make it a proper challenge.