In reply to Post #61
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to pythagoras, I use it a lot for work, not applicable in this case tho.
If you want that tight a presentation a pva bag would be the answer
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to pythagoras, I use it a lot for work, not applicable in this case tho.
If you want that tight a presentation a pva bag would be the answer
In reply to Post #62
OK I'll bite. Why is it not applicable?
OK I'll bite. Why is it not applicable?
In reply to Post #63
As I said, the line doesn't sink in a straight line, you could calculate the hypotenuse of the distance/depth triangle, but drop miles short because the lead is on the deck before 2 thirds of the line has cut through the surface tension. The lead drops in a much shorter arc
As I said, the line doesn't sink in a straight line, you could calculate the hypotenuse of the distance/depth triangle, but drop miles short because the lead is on the deck before 2 thirds of the line has cut through the surface tension. The lead drops in a much shorter arc
In reply to Post #64
and that's why the line is always slack a few seconds later - it would remain tight if the line remained straight as it sank
and that's why the line is always slack a few seconds later - it would remain tight if the line remained straight as it sank
In reply to Post #56
Hi Andy, I've been using poles pretty much exclusively for the last 4-5 seasons, using in-lines, esp tugsten soft/semi-stiff and do both methods of holding on a tight line and letting it just drop.
Both have worked no problems though given the choice I prefer to hold just because that's generally how I'd fish with a rod and my confidence.
Interestingly with regards lead dropping back when holding the line what I witnessed fishing at just 10ft out in approximately 5-6 feet which is 90% of my fishing the lead actually finished half a foot off the front of the baited patch, so well worth doing your own tests as a lot will depend on how you drop it with the tight line, just holding it or following it down slightly etc.
I don't bother with pva at all.
Edit. The bait finished half a foot off the baited patch.
Hi Andy, I've been using poles pretty much exclusively for the last 4-5 seasons, using in-lines, esp tugsten soft/semi-stiff and do both methods of holding on a tight line and letting it just drop.
Both have worked no problems though given the choice I prefer to hold just because that's generally how I'd fish with a rod and my confidence.
Interestingly with regards lead dropping back when holding the line what I witnessed fishing at just 10ft out in approximately 5-6 feet which is 90% of my fishing the lead actually finished half a foot off the front of the baited patch, so well worth doing your own tests as a lot will depend on how you drop it with the tight line, just holding it or following it down slightly etc.
I don't bother with pva at all.
Edit. The bait finished half a foot off the baited patch.
In reply to Post #66
The nearer together the depth and range figures are, the greater the drop back. In this case on a tight line I would expect a drop back of 18 inches on a genuinely tight line. At 10ft range in 10 ft depth the lead will swing back right to your feet. Really tight close range margin fishing sets up its own problems.
The nearer together the depth and range figures are, the greater the drop back. In this case on a tight line I would expect a drop back of 18 inches on a genuinely tight line. At 10ft range in 10 ft depth the lead will swing back right to your feet. Really tight close range margin fishing sets up its own problems.
In reply to Post #64
I agree there are other factors involved when applying mathematical formula to practical uses. The point I am making is that drop back on the lead is in most cases negligible and not worth worrying about and in fact excessive dropback is caused by poor casting skills.
If you cast out unclipped and do not stop the lead either and everything lands in a heap, to all intents and purposes the lead will fall vertically in the water with no drop back.
If you cast out clipped up and hit the clip perfectly and feel the lead down on a tight line without drawing it back and you get the rod in the rest without having to tighten up ( perfect cast) then the dropback figure will be close to the pythagorean value.
However most of us most of the time aren't perfect. We don't quite hit the clip, we hit it too hard, we draw back the lead when feeling it down. If you are using a clip and you have to tighten up to the lead that's the distance from the bait your lead has landed pretty much.
My point is that dropback caused by the laws of physics is inches not feet in most fishing situations ie 60yards into 8ft and the longer the range the less it is. Ignore it. Its not an excuse. Get your casting and control right and have sensible targets and enjoy.
Forget all the "I was fishing at 30 wraps on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid, both my rigs went down sweet, one at the front, one at the back and I put 6 spombs spot on" Nobody is because nobody can. Its self delusion.
I agree there are other factors involved when applying mathematical formula to practical uses. The point I am making is that drop back on the lead is in most cases negligible and not worth worrying about and in fact excessive dropback is caused by poor casting skills.
If you cast out unclipped and do not stop the lead either and everything lands in a heap, to all intents and purposes the lead will fall vertically in the water with no drop back.
If you cast out clipped up and hit the clip perfectly and feel the lead down on a tight line without drawing it back and you get the rod in the rest without having to tighten up ( perfect cast) then the dropback figure will be close to the pythagorean value.
However most of us most of the time aren't perfect. We don't quite hit the clip, we hit it too hard, we draw back the lead when feeling it down. If you are using a clip and you have to tighten up to the lead that's the distance from the bait your lead has landed pretty much.
My point is that dropback caused by the laws of physics is inches not feet in most fishing situations ie 60yards into 8ft and the longer the range the less it is. Ignore it. Its not an excuse. Get your casting and control right and have sensible targets and enjoy.
Forget all the "I was fishing at 30 wraps on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid, both my rigs went down sweet, one at the front, one at the back and I put 6 spombs spot on" Nobody is because nobody can. Its self delusion.
In reply to Post #68
I'm lucky if I can get it all on half a tennis court let alone a bin lid
I'm lucky if I can get it all on half a tennis court let alone a bin lid
In reply to Post #68
If it works for you then carry on, I can't see many getting the calculator out and trying to remember their year 7 homework
As I say, Ive used the formula a lot when doing roofs, it's an easy calculation, but I don't think it's applicable in fishing.
If I want rig and bait together, and not tangled I'd use pva or mold the lot in a ball of groundbait
If I didn't want pinpoint accuracy I wouldn't faf about with a baiting pole
If it works for you then carry on, I can't see many getting the calculator out and trying to remember their year 7 homework
As I say, Ive used the formula a lot when doing roofs, it's an easy calculation, but I don't think it's applicable in fishing.
If I want rig and bait together, and not tangled I'd use pva or mold the lot in a ball of groundbait
If I didn't want pinpoint accuracy I wouldn't faf about with a baiting pole
In reply to Post #70
Exactly my point. Forget drop back. For pinpoint accuracy you need a pole or boat. Also agree for bait and feed together when casting PVA is the answer.
There is no point trying to allow for drop back when casting. Be realistic. After falling through the water column, bit of undertow, bird activity, feeding fish, minor casting innacuracies you are fishing to a circle of bait 6,8,10 ft wide with fish moving in and out. Bang your bait out, cleanish drop, enjoy.
Only exception very short range, very deep water. Need to think about that one.
Exactly my point. Forget drop back. For pinpoint accuracy you need a pole or boat. Also agree for bait and feed together when casting PVA is the answer.
There is no point trying to allow for drop back when casting. Be realistic. After falling through the water column, bit of undertow, bird activity, feeding fish, minor casting innacuracies you are fishing to a circle of bait 6,8,10 ft wide with fish moving in and out. Bang your bait out, cleanish drop, enjoy.
Only exception very short range, very deep water. Need to think about that one.
In reply to Post #56
I nearly always use foam ,and pinch the line next to the rod if its on the rests, or pinch the line next to the pole if I'm not near the rod.
I know others lift the rod and feel the lead down, I find the method above the easiest 👌
I nearly always use foam ,and pinch the line next to the rod if its on the rests, or pinch the line next to the pole if I'm not near the rod.
I know others lift the rod and feel the lead down, I find the method above the easiest 👌
My new bushwhacker pole has just turned up. Looks good. Hopefully not long to wait for the 10 addidtional poles I've already ordered.
The uses are only limited by your ingenuity IMO. The package is v small for the kit as well so what's not to like
The uses are only limited by your ingenuity IMO. The package is v small for the kit as well so what's not to like
In reply to Post #73
very small,the delivery guy nearly knocked out the mrs and dog lifting it in the house 🤣🤣 sure they haven't sent you a roach pole??
very small,the delivery guy nearly knocked out the mrs and dog lifting it in the house 🤣🤣 sure they haven't sent you a roach pole??