In reply to Post #52
I'm not sure the revenue generated from fishing tackle bought by thousands of anglers can be compared to the income tax, national insurance and VAT on materials from thousands of people at work on a construction site can it? The revenue from supply chain is certainly not comparable between construction and fishing tackle.
You have misunderstood my point, I was talking about the BIGGER bigger picture. And I certainly wasn't saying don't fish. I will be working on site and fishing while I can also.
I'm not sure the revenue generated from fishing tackle bought by thousands of anglers can be compared to the income tax, national insurance and VAT on materials from thousands of people at work on a construction site can it? The revenue from supply chain is certainly not comparable between construction and fishing tackle.
You have misunderstood my point, I was talking about the BIGGER bigger picture. And I certainly wasn't saying don't fish. I will be working on site and fishing while I can also.
In reply to Post #59
Pet grooming business that operates from a high street shop is open near me, customers spotted through the shop window with their pets.
Local estate agent workers are busy inside their shop but no customers noticed.
Is this a lockdown or not?
Pet grooming business that operates from a high street shop is open near me, customers spotted through the shop window with their pets.
Local estate agent workers are busy inside their shop but no customers noticed.
Is this a lockdown or not?
In reply to Post #62
So dogs can get a haircut but people can't?
Not that I'm complaining of course...
So dogs can get a haircut but people can't?
Not that I'm complaining of course...
In reply to Post #61
Granted nowhere near what the construction industry puts in and I submit to your point on that but angling is near one and a half billion added to the economy and supports approximately 27,000 jobs so it generates an input and supports enough people and their family's not to be dismissed as doesnt generate any revenue.
Granted nowhere near what the construction industry puts in and I submit to your point on that but angling is near one and a half billion added to the economy and supports approximately 27,000 jobs so it generates an input and supports enough people and their family's not to be dismissed as doesnt generate any revenue.
In reply to Post #50
I had a contract for the nhs cancelled at the start of the first lockdown, potentially 12 months money in 4-6 months, then had a few customers pull out of projects due to start.
So I found other work and have paid my way the same as usual, 12-14 hour days as usual, 100s of miles a week as usual..
The building trade only slowed down due to material shortage and government scaremongering.
I just hope in the near future those sat at home or able to fish whenever they fancy appreciate the fact a small percentage of the population have kept the economy from collapsing altogether. Dustmen, delivery drivers, shop workers, emergency services, teachers, manual workers etc. are the backbone of the country but I'm not sure even Covid lockdowns and free money will make people realise that.
You can forget social distancing too, there are 000s on modest incomes still getting up at 5am and living in the firing line of Covid to make what meagre contribution they can towards the bill for half the nation to paint their living rooms and play with themselves at home.
I think you're right and a lot of people aren't going to forget the cards they have been dealt through this.
But obviously going fishing is top of the agenda
I had a contract for the nhs cancelled at the start of the first lockdown, potentially 12 months money in 4-6 months, then had a few customers pull out of projects due to start.
So I found other work and have paid my way the same as usual, 12-14 hour days as usual, 100s of miles a week as usual..
The building trade only slowed down due to material shortage and government scaremongering.
I just hope in the near future those sat at home or able to fish whenever they fancy appreciate the fact a small percentage of the population have kept the economy from collapsing altogether. Dustmen, delivery drivers, shop workers, emergency services, teachers, manual workers etc. are the backbone of the country but I'm not sure even Covid lockdowns and free money will make people realise that.
You can forget social distancing too, there are 000s on modest incomes still getting up at 5am and living in the firing line of Covid to make what meagre contribution they can towards the bill for half the nation to paint their living rooms and play with themselves at home.
I think you're right and a lot of people aren't going to forget the cards they have been dealt through this.
But obviously going fishing is top of the agenda
In reply to Post #64
Those figures are near that of the commercial fishing industry, can't see the pleasure angling industry being anything like those figures.
If the figures are based on the 2018 ea survey they are very suspect as it looked at 10,000 anglers at peak popularity. Also a vast number of jobs have been lost as the big online retailers have taken over from the local shops.
Those figures are near that of the commercial fishing industry, can't see the pleasure angling industry being anything like those figures.
If the figures are based on the 2018 ea survey they are very suspect as it looked at 10,000 anglers at peak popularity. Also a vast number of jobs have been lost as the big online retailers have taken over from the local shops.
In reply to Post #65
Fair play to you noj
Just looking through your list and thinking how often they are the workers who get either passed over or screwed over by government. ...
More big retail redundancies this week... covid has sped up that process of online killing off the high streets
Fair play to you noj
Just looking through your list and thinking how often they are the workers who get either passed over or screwed over by government. ...
More big retail redundancies this week... covid has sped up that process of online killing off the high streets
In reply to Post #65
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In reply to Post #65
Well said sir
Well said sir
In reply to Post #67
Those workers are generally screwed over full stop. Many haven't the means to buy a home due to what lenders deem affordable, yet rent for a 2 bed flat exceeds the mortgage on a 3 bed house. Not that I'm implying we should lend everyone 00s of 000s, because they are clearly a higher risk to lenders which is reflected in the interest rates offered and has bitten the country in the arse previously, but successive governments have failed to address making housing genuinely affordable. I've paid out north of 15k for a **** flat since all this started in rent (never a moment late) and the landlord has not only had a mortgage holiday but booted us out to sell up after we've covered almost half what the council sold to her for in 4 years.
But please take 20% of my earnings to pay the wages of homeowners taking mortgage holidays and struggling to understand simple regulations about wether they can spend time in their nylon masturbation dome. If you want to go fishing because you're bored or don't like your family just go, maybe drop me a message and I'll bring you all down a takeaway and a few cold beers between work, running around for a heavily pregnant atomic hormone bomb and putting our stuff into paid storage
Those workers are generally screwed over full stop. Many haven't the means to buy a home due to what lenders deem affordable, yet rent for a 2 bed flat exceeds the mortgage on a 3 bed house. Not that I'm implying we should lend everyone 00s of 000s, because they are clearly a higher risk to lenders which is reflected in the interest rates offered and has bitten the country in the arse previously, but successive governments have failed to address making housing genuinely affordable. I've paid out north of 15k for a **** flat since all this started in rent (never a moment late) and the landlord has not only had a mortgage holiday but booted us out to sell up after we've covered almost half what the council sold to her for in 4 years.
But please take 20% of my earnings to pay the wages of homeowners taking mortgage holidays and struggling to understand simple regulations about wether they can spend time in their nylon masturbation dome. If you want to go fishing because you're bored or don't like your family just go, maybe drop me a message and I'll bring you all down a takeaway and a few cold beers between work, running around for a heavily pregnant atomic hormone bomb and putting our stuff into paid storage
Fishing in Lockdown - what we can
and cannot do (England)
Under the November 5th 2020 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations
fishing is deemed a permissible form of outdoor recreation and a ‘lawful excuse' to leave
home. This has been confirmed by ministers and in subsequent government guidance.
https://www.sportengland.org/news/national-restrictions-our-support-during-period
However, certain limitations have been introduced and these are enforceable by law with fines
of up to £10,000 now in place.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for anglers
Published 05/11/2020
Pleasure Fishing
You can go fishing in the sea or in freshwater (with or without keepnets) in ‘outdoor public places'
which include: neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and the countryside; public gardens and
grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them).
However, regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own
household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the
Rule of Two for most of us.
As the existing regulations, which allow for an activity to ‘continue through the night', have not
changed and there are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation, anglers are
able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are
observed. This is distinct from camping and campsites which are required to close.
Match Fishing
The tightening of the government's rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other
organised fishing or amateur sporting event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However,
competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of
restrictions.
Part Three of the regulations state:
Participation in outdoor gatherings
9.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering which—
(a) takes place in a public outdoor place and consists of more than two people, or
(b) takes place in any other outdoor place (including any outdoor part of a private dwelling) and
consists of two or more people.
A similar offence is included for the organising of any such ‘gatherings'. On this basis we can
announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November
– 2nd December 2020.
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for
clubs & fisheries
The Angling Trust has advised that this includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and
stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or
subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered
to close and we believe there is no reason that they should do so providing that they
operate in accordance with the rules. There is also included a non-exhaustive list of
businesses that can remain open and we are in discussions with Government about
clarifying their guidance by specifically adding fisheries to this list. It remains the case
that if Government really wanted fisheries to close they would have said so in the
regulations.
However, all indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must
close and fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and
collect' service.
As a national governing body the Angling Trust is charged with interpreting the
Government's guidelines as they impact on recreational fishing. Fisheries remain free to
seek their own advice.
and cannot do (England)
Under the November 5th 2020 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations
fishing is deemed a permissible form of outdoor recreation and a ‘lawful excuse' to leave
home. This has been confirmed by ministers and in subsequent government guidance.
https://www.sportengland.org/news/national-restrictions-our-support-during-period
However, certain limitations have been introduced and these are enforceable by law with fines
of up to £10,000 now in place.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for anglers
Published 05/11/2020
Pleasure Fishing
You can go fishing in the sea or in freshwater (with or without keepnets) in ‘outdoor public places'
which include: neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and the countryside; public gardens and
grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them).
However, regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own
household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the
Rule of Two for most of us.
As the existing regulations, which allow for an activity to ‘continue through the night', have not
changed and there are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation, anglers are
able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are
observed. This is distinct from camping and campsites which are required to close.
Match Fishing
The tightening of the government's rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other
organised fishing or amateur sporting event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However,
competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of
restrictions.
Part Three of the regulations state:
Participation in outdoor gatherings
9.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering which—
(a) takes place in a public outdoor place and consists of more than two people, or
(b) takes place in any other outdoor place (including any outdoor part of a private dwelling) and
consists of two or more people.
A similar offence is included for the organising of any such ‘gatherings'. On this basis we can
announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November
– 2nd December 2020.
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for
clubs & fisheries
The Angling Trust has advised that this includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and
stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or
subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered
to close and we believe there is no reason that they should do so providing that they
operate in accordance with the rules. There is also included a non-exhaustive list of
businesses that can remain open and we are in discussions with Government about
clarifying their guidance by specifically adding fisheries to this list. It remains the case
that if Government really wanted fisheries to close they would have said so in the
regulations.
However, all indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must
close and fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and
collect' service.
As a national governing body the Angling Trust is charged with interpreting the
Government's guidelines as they impact on recreational fishing. Fisheries remain free to
seek their own advice.
In reply to Post #70
No wonder your pissed mate
went through that myself a few years back, paid some other ****s mortgage for years then get turfed out
It's hard to see so many people paid to sit on they're arses while I'm working 6 long days a week and am currently owed around 6 grand for jobs I can't finish as I can't get the appliances
No wonder your pissed mate
went through that myself a few years back, paid some other ****s mortgage for years then get turfed out It's hard to see so many people paid to sit on they're arses while I'm working 6 long days a week and am currently owed around 6 grand for jobs I can't finish as I can't get the appliances
In reply to Post #72
Some people are on furlough who don't want to be,me included.I asked if I could stay in work when we were told on Thursday.
Some people are on furlough who don't want to be,me included.I asked if I could stay in work when we were told on Thursday.
In reply to Post #73
I know that mate, I'd go nuts in that position, but many are loving it, and that makes it harder for those who have to work.
I've done more nights on thorney weir than my proper water as its quieter
I know that mate, I'd go nuts in that position, but many are loving it, and that makes it harder for those who have to work.
I've done more nights on thorney weir than my proper water as its quieter
In reply to Post #74
The warehouse i work in has stayed open but I guess they want to cut the wage bill as its quiet with our stores being shut,it makes sense really.Im hoping its only going to be for a week or so,I really don't think I can do until December without going nuts.How do these people who live on handouts do it
The warehouse i work in has stayed open but I guess they want to cut the wage bill as its quiet with our stores being shut,it makes sense really.Im hoping its only going to be for a week or so,I really don't think I can do until December without going nuts.How do these people who live on handouts do it