In reply to Post #59
Here's another way of thinking about it. On the enhancer thread, I mentioned about getting things into a boiled bait in 'free form'. There was a product, which came onto the market years ago, that you all loved as bait makers, including me. It was LO30. Now that product, was so damn successful, because one, it was full up too the brim with natural salt, and second, because anglers were in the main putting it onto their freezer baits as a soak. And bingo, you have a mega salty liquid fish, in your bait in free form. It's not bound up with eggs like the powder, you've not boiled the natural salts content away in the liquid by boiling it for two minutes. It sent fish crazy, like nothing before it some would say. Well if you understand what I'm saying, there are other things, that are even more successful at that, than LO30 ever was. Understanding that not boiling the liquids, and getting them into the bait in free form, is where it was really at, and a natural salt content, that was through the roof helps no end. Manmade chemicals that try to mimic what nature is already doing, are not the way forwards in most cases. But, and again it's a big but, there are certain man made things, that have not only captured this, but have increased it.
Here's another way of thinking about it. On the enhancer thread, I mentioned about getting things into a boiled bait in 'free form'. There was a product, which came onto the market years ago, that you all loved as bait makers, including me. It was LO30. Now that product, was so damn successful, because one, it was full up too the brim with natural salt, and second, because anglers were in the main putting it onto their freezer baits as a soak. And bingo, you have a mega salty liquid fish, in your bait in free form. It's not bound up with eggs like the powder, you've not boiled the natural salts content away in the liquid by boiling it for two minutes. It sent fish crazy, like nothing before it some would say. Well if you understand what I'm saying, there are other things, that are even more successful at that, than LO30 ever was. Understanding that not boiling the liquids, and getting them into the bait in free form, is where it was really at, and a natural salt content, that was through the roof helps no end. Manmade chemicals that try to mimic what nature is already doing, are not the way forwards in most cases. But, and again it's a big but, there are certain man made things, that have not only captured this, but have increased it.
In reply to Post #61
You're not Tim Richardson are you?
You're not Tim Richardson are you?
In reply to Post #62
Oh Chuffy. I saw a video on here once of an X Factor audition. Is that who you're talking about? That was one of the single funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. I actually cried tears. No I'm not called Tim
.
Why the obsession with who I am? Can't we just talk about bait?
Oh Chuffy. I saw a video on here once of an X Factor audition. Is that who you're talking about? That was one of the single funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. I actually cried tears. No I'm not called Tim
.Why the obsession with who I am? Can't we just talk about bait?
T-Carper.
In reply to Post #64
Who? Never heard of him .
Wow, pm's and everything. Let's just talk about bait eh. I don't get a lot of free time, I won't be on this forum much because of that single fact. I came here to speak about bait making with you lot, nothing else. We share a passion you see. I have no clue who any of you's are. It does not matter who I am really either does it mate.
Who? Never heard of him
.Wow, pm's and everything. Let's just talk about bait eh. I don't get a lot of free time, I won't be on this forum much because of that single fact. I came here to speak about bait making with you lot, nothing else. We share a passion you see. I have no clue who any of you's are. It does not matter who I am really either does it mate.
In reply to Post #51
Hi N/W,
I see that tigers, 5% protein thing is a bone of contention and as I remember, on that thread, the issue was never resolved to my satisfaction also.
Given that carp readily eat both tigers and peanuts, I wonder what triggers their chemoreceptors?
These are the composition figures rounded up.
Lipids. Protein. Carbs. Sugar
Tigers. 25% 5% 45% 15%
Peanuts. 50% 25% 8% 1%
BB.
Hi N/W,
I see that tigers, 5% protein thing is a bone of contention and as I remember, on that thread, the issue was never resolved to my satisfaction also.
Given that carp readily eat both tigers and peanuts, I wonder what triggers their chemoreceptors?
These are the composition figures rounded up.
Lipids. Protein. Carbs. Sugar
Tigers. 25% 5% 45% 15%
Peanuts. 50% 25% 8% 1%
BB.
In reply to Post #65
Your posts are interesting, crack on!
Your posts are interesting, crack on!
In reply to Post #63
Why the obsession with who I am?
Not an obsession on my part anyway, it's just that history tells us that whenever someone comes on here that's a 'fountain of knowledge' but won't let on who they are, they usually end up trying to sell us a heated blanket or have a massive toys out the pram meltdown at 3am one night, or both
so, just like to know what I'm dealing with
My name's Rob BTW
Why the obsession with who I am?
Not an obsession on my part anyway, it's just that history tells us that whenever someone comes on here that's a 'fountain of knowledge' but won't let on who they are, they usually end up trying to sell us a heated blanket or have a massive toys out the pram meltdown at 3am one night, or both
so, just like to know what I'm dealing with
My name's Rob BTW
In reply to Post #67
In reply to Post #61
Hi Mark,
I believe the success of LO30 was down to the usual suspects, peptides and free AAs. Not saying AAs are everything as I am sure it is not. That said, almost everything containing hydrolysed protein in some form seem to make the carp interested, with or without salt.
Hi Mark,
I believe the success of LO30 was down to the usual suspects, peptides and free AAs. Not saying AAs are everything as I am sure it is not. That said, almost everything containing hydrolysed protein in some form seem to make the carp interested, with or without salt.
In reply to Post #68
Hi Rob, I'm not interested in selling you anything at all mate. At 3am, I'll either be fishing, or tucked up in bed with a nice looking lady hopefully every single time. Sometimes I'll be alone, I'll have a little think of you Rob, or Tim maybe on X Factor lol.
I won't ever be on here ever at 3am, that one you can put your mortgage on. I'm not a 'fountain of knowledge', I'm no better than you. I just a have a set of skills. A very particular set of skills Rob. Skills that I have acquired over a whole lifetime of fishing. Skills that make me a nightmare for people who have meltdowns about fishing at 3am on here, or say silly things about my life time passion when I know different. x
Hi Rob, I'm not interested in selling you anything at all mate. At 3am, I'll either be fishing, or tucked up in bed with a nice looking lady hopefully every single time. Sometimes I'll be alone, I'll have a little think of you Rob, or Tim maybe on X Factor lol.
I won't ever be on here ever at 3am, that one you can put your mortgage on. I'm not a 'fountain of knowledge', I'm no better than you. I just a have a set of skills. A very particular set of skills Rob. Skills that I have acquired over a whole lifetime of fishing. Skills that make me a nightmare for people who have meltdowns about fishing at 3am on here, or say silly things about my life time passion when I know different. x
In reply to Post #64
I was thinking the same actually! If so, very good angler, good writer too..... Same style of writing too..... . If so, hope you are doing OK and hunt down 'that' SSSI one
I was thinking the same actually! If so, very good angler, good writer too..... Same style of writing too..... . If so, hope you are doing OK and hunt down 'that' SSSI one
In reply to Post #72
In reply to Post #70
Who's Mark? I'm Paulie, a little bit overweight, because I have a very sweet tooth.
Hi Viking, yes I'd agree, anything containing liquidised proteins, or anything else to be fair that is 'liquid', are far better than powdered versions of the same things, in terms of attraction. They generally, don't get bound up with egg either if applied after boiling, as a lot already will be doing with those types of liquids. But in a waterborne environment, anything liquid will always be better than something which is powdered, and bound up with eggs and boiled. The solid mass we call food for them, we put all this expensive and fancy ingredients in, then lock them up with egg. We have to do this to get around the actual fact that we sit on the bank for a couple of days, and need a bait in the water for eight hours and more that will repel smaller fish. So we use boiled bait, we can still do that. But putting expensive attractors into a bait and boiling them up is a very silly thing indeed. Bait maker has some very expensive GLM extract. The very best stuff. It's so super attractive to all fish. He will stick that in with the base mix, add eggs, and lock the goodness up. It's so soluble, that boiling it, makes it boil away. Think about it. What the bait maker should be doing, is putting a dash in with the powders pre boiling. But then finding a way to get that GLM, into the bait in a liquid form in large quantities. Do this, you will see the full power of GLM and how it will attract fish, I'd hazard a guess most anglers reading this never have seen that power. It's all there, we just have chosen to do it in the wrong way. Why, because some book said so? Some scientist said so? Some bloke thirty years ago said so who caught some carp? Carp fishing gets so stuck in it's ways because of this. If you can step back, forget everything you were ever told that got regurgitated over and over so many times that it surely had to be true? In a lot of cases, it's actually not true, there are better ways.
Who's Mark? I'm Paulie, a little bit overweight, because I have a very sweet tooth.
Hi Viking, yes I'd agree, anything containing liquidised proteins, or anything else to be fair that is 'liquid', are far better than powdered versions of the same things, in terms of attraction. They generally, don't get bound up with egg either if applied after boiling, as a lot already will be doing with those types of liquids. But in a waterborne environment, anything liquid will always be better than something which is powdered, and bound up with eggs and boiled. The solid mass we call food for them, we put all this expensive and fancy ingredients in, then lock them up with egg. We have to do this to get around the actual fact that we sit on the bank for a couple of days, and need a bait in the water for eight hours and more that will repel smaller fish. So we use boiled bait, we can still do that. But putting expensive attractors into a bait and boiling them up is a very silly thing indeed. Bait maker has some very expensive GLM extract. The very best stuff. It's so super attractive to all fish. He will stick that in with the base mix, add eggs, and lock the goodness up. It's so soluble, that boiling it, makes it boil away. Think about it. What the bait maker should be doing, is putting a dash in with the powders pre boiling. But then finding a way to get that GLM, into the bait in a liquid form in large quantities. Do this, you will see the full power of GLM and how it will attract fish, I'd hazard a guess most anglers reading this never have seen that power. It's all there, we just have chosen to do it in the wrong way. Why, because some book said so? Some scientist said so? Some bloke thirty years ago said so who caught some carp? Carp fishing gets so stuck in it's ways because of this. If you can step back, forget everything you were ever told that got regurgitated over and over so many times that it surely had to be true? In a lot of cases, it's actually not true, there are better ways.
In reply to Post #72
It's obvious, a unique style of posting.
I spend too long reading the internet
It's obvious, a unique style of posting.
I spend too long reading the internet