Maybe you can argue that David Lammy took Trump salmon fishing on his state visit without any licence and escaped a fine:- precedent has been set 
In reply to Post #44
Most of the money not spent on paying fisheries staff goes in to funding grants for fisheries. Hundreds of thousands every year available to bid for.
What most fail to understand is all rod licence monies are ring fenced for fisheries and not absorbed in to other EA budgets. It does get spent for the benefit of fisheries, unlikely closed shop syndis but clubs and public waters benefit massively.
Most of the money not spent on paying fisheries staff goes in to funding grants for fisheries. Hundreds of thousands every year available to bid for.
What most fail to understand is all rod licence monies are ring fenced for fisheries and not absorbed in to other EA budgets. It does get spent for the benefit of fisheries, unlikely closed shop syndis but clubs and public waters benefit massively.
Last time I was checked was around 12/13 years ago 2 turned up after 10pm in the itchen in Southampton and were looking for any poachers trying for the salmon(I think they had a tip off) and they checked my licence they asked if I was after the barbel and was surprised when I said carp,I was fishing 3 rods but luckily had 2 licenses.
The person who steals the Vodka would likely get off with the equivalent of a slap on the wrists. Yet the person forgetting to buy a licence pays a big fine &/or a court summons.
That doesn't seem like fair justice to me.
That doesn't seem like fair justice to me.
In reply to Post #47
I'd argue that genuine syndicate waters need this available money over clubs and day tickets. A lot of the bigger clubs have thousands of members paying membership fees and the larger day ticket venues have multiple lakes cramming as many pegs as possible onto each lake to generate more revenue
Genuine syndicates and by that I mean ones that are the non profit and the members all contribute to how the place is run etc are becoming rarer all the time. Main reason is cost. Lake, stock and then fencing it makes it a non starter. It's a shame. I know I'd quite happily pay for a licence just knowing that the money is there to help a collective group own their own fishery even if I was never to do it myself.
Instead my licence money is paying for venues to be opened which I have no interest in ever using. Yes there are good day ticket venues and good clubs but more and more seem to be cropping up that are run by business men and not anglers. Prices are going up. People pay it because there is less and less opportunity for an alternative. Not to mention there's some very questionable fish welfare issues going on, again all in the aid of profit. Waiting lists on syndicates get longer and then those prices sky rocket because they are so in demand
I'm not saying everyone would even want to run their own venue . At the moment there isn't even the possibility for a group of passionate anglers , mates etc to have this kind of opportunity. The rate of divorce would go through the roof granted but it would create some special venues. That's my two pennith any way
I'd argue that genuine syndicate waters need this available money over clubs and day tickets. A lot of the bigger clubs have thousands of members paying membership fees and the larger day ticket venues have multiple lakes cramming as many pegs as possible onto each lake to generate more revenue
Genuine syndicates and by that I mean ones that are the non profit and the members all contribute to how the place is run etc are becoming rarer all the time. Main reason is cost. Lake, stock and then fencing it makes it a non starter. It's a shame. I know I'd quite happily pay for a licence just knowing that the money is there to help a collective group own their own fishery even if I was never to do it myself.
Instead my licence money is paying for venues to be opened which I have no interest in ever using. Yes there are good day ticket venues and good clubs but more and more seem to be cropping up that are run by business men and not anglers. Prices are going up. People pay it because there is less and less opportunity for an alternative. Not to mention there's some very questionable fish welfare issues going on, again all in the aid of profit. Waiting lists on syndicates get longer and then those prices sky rocket because they are so in demand
I'm not saying everyone would even want to run their own venue . At the moment there isn't even the possibility for a group of passionate anglers , mates etc to have this kind of opportunity. The rate of divorce would go through the roof granted but it would create some special venues. That's my two pennith any way
In reply to Post #50
Not to put down what you're saying as I agree, but not everything is about carp fishing and otters. Have to bear that in mind when you're talking about where rod licence money goes. Disabled access, better and safer access, junior coaching, cormorants, restocking with mixed fish from Calverton free of charge, etc.
Not to put down what you're saying as I agree, but not everything is about carp fishing and otters. Have to bear that in mind when you're talking about where rod licence money goes. Disabled access, better and safer access, junior coaching, cormorants, restocking with mixed fish from Calverton free of charge, etc.
In reply to Post #51
Oh ye totally agree with all of that as well. Especially the disabled access and getting kids into fishing and teaching them all styles of angling. I wouldn't change fishing with a 3 metre whip for a 3 rods setup when I first started. I think it's an important part of becoming a good angler
I know there's not an endless pit of money but it winds me up knowing there are people getting extra funds who don't give two hoots about the anglers. As long as they can people to pay what they want thats all that mattersand if the mocence money aids them in doung this theni think its wrong
I really do think it would be a good idea to help people set up their own venue to be run as a proper collaborative syndicate with all money going back Into the lake. Something along those lines anyway. Instead of say providing one of the big clubs acquiring their 20th lake with a thousand members. I know that's the easier and cheaper thing to do but not the correct one
Korda do a great event for kids I think once a year I maybe wrong with that. It's basically only kids fishing I think at nkrton Disney and then the korda team go round and help them where they need it
It would be amazing to take that one step further aimed solely at children during summer holidays. Then have qualified angling coaches to go round and teach and help improve their fishing. It'll never happen but I wish I had something like that when I was a kid it's probably not feasible without the help from the government. It would be good though
Oh ye totally agree with all of that as well. Especially the disabled access and getting kids into fishing and teaching them all styles of angling. I wouldn't change fishing with a 3 metre whip for a 3 rods setup when I first started. I think it's an important part of becoming a good angler
I know there's not an endless pit of money but it winds me up knowing there are people getting extra funds who don't give two hoots about the anglers. As long as they can people to pay what they want thats all that mattersand if the mocence money aids them in doung this theni think its wrong
I really do think it would be a good idea to help people set up their own venue to be run as a proper collaborative syndicate with all money going back Into the lake. Something along those lines anyway. Instead of say providing one of the big clubs acquiring their 20th lake with a thousand members. I know that's the easier and cheaper thing to do but not the correct one
Korda do a great event for kids I think once a year I maybe wrong with that. It's basically only kids fishing I think at nkrton Disney and then the korda team go round and help them where they need it
It would be amazing to take that one step further aimed solely at children during summer holidays. Then have qualified angling coaches to go round and teach and help improve their fishing. It'll never happen but I wish I had something like that when I was a kid it's probably not feasible without the help from the government. It would be good though
In reply to Post #52
Depends on the club. My local club runs free junior coaching from April-September, have done since I was a kid and attended them. But not every club has the capacity to do so! Funding was there then got reduced.
I'm pretty sure none of the rod license money goes towards venue acquisition, it's also limited to a max of £6k per application, which has to have at least some match funding.
With it being public monies it has to be spent on publicly accessible fisheries, park lakes, clubs, rivers, etc. you'd struggle to get grants for syndis as they are not open access and privately owned. Not sure where day ticket venues stand.
Depends on the club. My local club runs free junior coaching from April-September, have done since I was a kid and attended them. But not every club has the capacity to do so! Funding was there then got reduced.
I'm pretty sure none of the rod license money goes towards venue acquisition, it's also limited to a max of £6k per application, which has to have at least some match funding.
With it being public monies it has to be spent on publicly accessible fisheries, park lakes, clubs, rivers, etc. you'd struggle to get grants for syndis as they are not open access and privately owned. Not sure where day ticket venues stand.
In reply to Post #50
I don't really agree with what you said about true syndicates being priced out of the market.
I bought my place ten years ago, why couldn't ten, fifteen, twenty or more like minded guys have gotten together and bought it?
Most waters that are run as limited members waters, what most call syndicates, aren't owned by the people who run them, they're leased. Again, what's to stop a group getting together and taking on a lease, fencing and stocking the water? That's exactly what individuals are doing.
I think the biggest thing holding back genuine syndicates is apathy. Finding enough guys willing to make the necessary commitment and sacrifices to run such a water in this day and age would be nigh on impossible. You only have to experience how hard it is for a club to get enough people together for a work party to know that true syndicates will only become rarer and rarer.
I don't really agree with what you said about true syndicates being priced out of the market.
I bought my place ten years ago, why couldn't ten, fifteen, twenty or more like minded guys have gotten together and bought it?
Most waters that are run as limited members waters, what most call syndicates, aren't owned by the people who run them, they're leased. Again, what's to stop a group getting together and taking on a lease, fencing and stocking the water? That's exactly what individuals are doing.
I think the biggest thing holding back genuine syndicates is apathy. Finding enough guys willing to make the necessary commitment and sacrifices to run such a water in this day and age would be nigh on impossible. You only have to experience how hard it is for a club to get enough people together for a work party to know that true syndicates will only become rarer and rarer.
I'm not sure why the EA would want to help fund closed access fishing? There is plenty of that available and it sustains its existence through membership costs and anywhere decent has a healthy list of people waiting to join.
I was a member of a closed club that leased a lake. Every few years we put in some additional funds and bought some fish. That was one of the most pleasurable parts of the membership. It would not have felt correct to go to the EA to ask for money to buy stock that only half a dozen people could ever fish for.
In the end the land owner decided that they wanted the lake back for boating with their family. We had no written rights to the fish, and as they were happy and healthy no strong desire to remove them so they stayed put to live out life relatively unmolested. That would have been a pretty sorry waste of EA money.
What is thinner on the ground is open access fishing for people who don't have the funds/connections to fish a closed group. I think this is correctly where the EA funding should be going?
I was a member of a closed club that leased a lake. Every few years we put in some additional funds and bought some fish. That was one of the most pleasurable parts of the membership. It would not have felt correct to go to the EA to ask for money to buy stock that only half a dozen people could ever fish for.
In the end the land owner decided that they wanted the lake back for boating with their family. We had no written rights to the fish, and as they were happy and healthy no strong desire to remove them so they stayed put to live out life relatively unmolested. That would have been a pretty sorry waste of EA money.
What is thinner on the ground is open access fishing for people who don't have the funds/connections to fish a closed group. I think this is correctly where the EA funding should be going?
Apparently syndicates can access the funding. West Stow CP had some recently for aeration equipment. The EA explained in the comments that just because it's a syndicate doesn't mean the members don't buy rod licences so they are eligible to apply. It also takes a burden from the EA as they are now self sufficient.
Interesting.
Interesting.