In reply to Post #45
That's for filming purposes though. Do you think he gets that treatment when he's fishing on his own time? He is just the same as everyone else.
That's for filming purposes though. Do you think he gets that treatment when he's fishing on his own time? He is just the same as everyone else.
In reply to Post #45
Quote.... Thinking sponsored anglers don't get special treatment is incredibly naive. It's funny you mention Dave Lane.
Firstly, I did not bring up Dave Lane, others did.
We are talking about specific things regarding bait. Not what you are now talking about, regarding what's happening down your syndicate. The bait sponsored anglers get is what the conversation was about. I have no clue what goes on down your noddy syndicate to upset you. Don't really want to know either. I'd say all that makes you a bit naive for fishing places like that. When DL was fishing Wraysbury, or the Mere for example, none of what you are talking about would of happened. That's stuff that happens on day tickets and noddy syndicates. If they allow stuff like that, it's a noddy syndicate. You have taken the conversation somewhere else now based on your own personal grievances. Roping off swims for pre baiting has zero to do with what was being spoken about.
I do have experience of both sides of getting, and giving out free bait though. No one gets souped up special versions of anything. It would be totally counterproductive to any bait company. They will release the very best baits that they have to the public. All sponsored anglers will want to use that exact bait. Not testing anything at all while doing their own serious fishing on the proper pits. They will test stuff that needs trailing on easier venues 99% of the time.
It's a business for the bait companies, certainly not the business of making sponsored anglers look better.
That's all.
Quote.... Thinking sponsored anglers don't get special treatment is incredibly naive. It's funny you mention Dave Lane.
Firstly, I did not bring up Dave Lane, others did.
We are talking about specific things regarding bait. Not what you are now talking about, regarding what's happening down your syndicate. The bait sponsored anglers get is what the conversation was about. I have no clue what goes on down your noddy syndicate to upset you. Don't really want to know either. I'd say all that makes you a bit naive for fishing places like that. When DL was fishing Wraysbury, or the Mere for example, none of what you are talking about would of happened. That's stuff that happens on day tickets and noddy syndicates. If they allow stuff like that, it's a noddy syndicate. You have taken the conversation somewhere else now based on your own personal grievances. Roping off swims for pre baiting has zero to do with what was being spoken about.
I do have experience of both sides of getting, and giving out free bait though. No one gets souped up special versions of anything. It would be totally counterproductive to any bait company. They will release the very best baits that they have to the public. All sponsored anglers will want to use that exact bait. Not testing anything at all while doing their own serious fishing on the proper pits. They will test stuff that needs trailing on easier venues 99% of the time.
It's a business for the bait companies, certainly not the business of making sponsored anglers look better.
That's all.
In reply to Post #47
But you did mention DL, so..
The crux of your argument is that sponsored anglers don't get preferential treatment, which I proved to be incorrect. If someone like DL gets a swim cordoned off and prebaited what says he's not getting a better bait than what is sold to the public.
It's also not my syndicate, if you had taken the time to read my post you would have known it was a syndicate i walked around last year. I chose not to join so I have no idea where you got the notion I am upset, again I'm simply pointing out that celebrity anglers get preferential treatment, this isn't a hard concept to grasp but you appear to be struggling for some odd reason.
Also calling an unnamed water you know absolutely nothing about a “noddy syndicate” is extremely big headed of you.
Just because you have not given out “souped up” baits doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.
Sponsored anglers are salesmen so it's in the companies best interest to show them catching lots of big fish, just look at darrel pecks recent video for mainline, 7 40's in one session is probably the best advertising mainline could ever have. They don't give a crap if you or I blank on their bait. As long as social media is full of their sponsored anglers bagging up they'll sell tons of bait.
Again talking of mainline, when iso fish came out spooner did a film on one of the embryo lakes and of course he bagged up and yet this very forum has proved the bait is actually pretty bang average. So have mainline released the “best” bait they can with ISO fish or are they relying on their sponsored anglers to promote an average bait to their gullible fan base.
But you did mention DL, so..
The crux of your argument is that sponsored anglers don't get preferential treatment, which I proved to be incorrect. If someone like DL gets a swim cordoned off and prebaited what says he's not getting a better bait than what is sold to the public.
It's also not my syndicate, if you had taken the time to read my post you would have known it was a syndicate i walked around last year. I chose not to join so I have no idea where you got the notion I am upset, again I'm simply pointing out that celebrity anglers get preferential treatment, this isn't a hard concept to grasp but you appear to be struggling for some odd reason.
Also calling an unnamed water you know absolutely nothing about a “noddy syndicate” is extremely big headed of you.
Just because you have not given out “souped up” baits doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.
Sponsored anglers are salesmen so it's in the companies best interest to show them catching lots of big fish, just look at darrel pecks recent video for mainline, 7 40's in one session is probably the best advertising mainline could ever have. They don't give a crap if you or I blank on their bait. As long as social media is full of their sponsored anglers bagging up they'll sell tons of bait.
Again talking of mainline, when iso fish came out spooner did a film on one of the embryo lakes and of course he bagged up and yet this very forum has proved the bait is actually pretty bang average. So have mainline released the “best” bait they can with ISO fish or are they relying on their sponsored anglers to promote an average bait to their gullible fan base.
And here's the other side to the same stories that get portrayed by anglers not catching them. When I fished on Roach Pit and was smashing them.... Locals would be telling anyone and everyone that I was receiving some kind of special treatment. NOTHING could have been further from the truth.
The day I caught The linear and Barbs as a brace of 40's, I was made to leave a day early, despite having carp all over me. There was a three day rule. We were required to do a mandatory work party for a day. I had gone down to the lake a day earlier than usual to do my work party. Even asked if that would be okay. I did that so I would not lose fishing time. I had landed a brace of 40's just two weeks previous. I worked like a dog for the owner, for filled my obligation to do a work party. Now I had my three days to fish, so I thought.
After I banked the Linear I had been fishing for 48 hours, the linear which everyone including the owner was desperate to catch.... I was made to leave. Told I had been on the lake for three nights (I'd only fished for two). This was only because of what I had just caught. I was physically stopped from catching anymore. This was not the only time similar happened. Another episode, which would ultimately lead to contributing to the death of those fish in my opinion.
If you listened to any of the blanking locals, you would be told I was being favoured and that's why I was catching so many while they were blanking. The actual reality could never have been any more different. When the owner fishes the lake and wants to catch them too, that's never going to be the case. Whoever is catching them all will become the enemy in that moment of jealousy.
The above was apologised to me at at a later date. They knew what they done was bang out of order, they just did not want me to speak about it in Carpworld is all.
The day I caught The linear and Barbs as a brace of 40's, I was made to leave a day early, despite having carp all over me. There was a three day rule. We were required to do a mandatory work party for a day. I had gone down to the lake a day earlier than usual to do my work party. Even asked if that would be okay. I did that so I would not lose fishing time. I had landed a brace of 40's just two weeks previous. I worked like a dog for the owner, for filled my obligation to do a work party. Now I had my three days to fish, so I thought.
After I banked the Linear I had been fishing for 48 hours, the linear which everyone including the owner was desperate to catch.... I was made to leave. Told I had been on the lake for three nights (I'd only fished for two). This was only because of what I had just caught. I was physically stopped from catching anymore. This was not the only time similar happened. Another episode, which would ultimately lead to contributing to the death of those fish in my opinion.
If you listened to any of the blanking locals, you would be told I was being favoured and that's why I was catching so many while they were blanking. The actual reality could never have been any more different. When the owner fishes the lake and wants to catch them too, that's never going to be the case. Whoever is catching them all will become the enemy in that moment of jealousy.
The above was apologised to me at at a later date. They knew what they done was bang out of order, they just did not want me to speak about it in Carpworld is all.
In reply to Post #48
Quote... But you did mention DL, so... The crux of your argument is that sponsored anglers don't get preferential treatment, which I proved to be incorrect
What are you going on about fella?
You changed the subject matter to suit yourself, whilst calling me naive.
We were talking about sponsored anglers receiving extra special bait, which you seem convinced goes on. You carry on fella believing whatever you want. The reality is not what you think. The idea that some bait company is going to produce special stuff for some sponsored angler is a completely stupid one. No ones got no time for that.
I have people offering me completely stupid amounts of money to do special stuff of their choice for them. I have always refused, because it's just not worth the aggro. It shows a level of ignorance about the aggro involved to do things like this for a bait firm, that you simply do not understand.
You proved nothing. Only silly things inside your head. If it makes you feel better about yourself to believe this stuff, more power to your elbow I say. But it does not make it the truth.
Quote... But you did mention DL, so... The crux of your argument is that sponsored anglers don't get preferential treatment, which I proved to be incorrect
What are you going on about fella?
You changed the subject matter to suit yourself, whilst calling me naive.
We were talking about sponsored anglers receiving extra special bait, which you seem convinced goes on. You carry on fella believing whatever you want. The reality is not what you think. The idea that some bait company is going to produce special stuff for some sponsored angler is a completely stupid one. No ones got no time for that.
I have people offering me completely stupid amounts of money to do special stuff of their choice for them. I have always refused, because it's just not worth the aggro. It shows a level of ignorance about the aggro involved to do things like this for a bait firm, that you simply do not understand.
You proved nothing. Only silly things inside your head. If it makes you feel better about yourself to believe this stuff, more power to your elbow I say. But it does not make it the truth.
In reply to Post #50
TBF he didn't call you naive, you did however, write:
" I'd say all that makes you a bit naive for fishing places like that."
Opinions are just that, some may think otherwise, that's their opinion.
TBF he didn't call you naive, you did however, write:
" I'd say all that makes you a bit naive for fishing places like that."
Opinions are just that, some may think otherwise, that's their opinion.
If anyone whatsoever wants to know or understand why I do not post in any other threads apart from the SHB one regarding bait.... Look at the Garlic hemp thread.
https://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=428451&ReadAll=1
What you will see from the posts that remain, is literally all fake profiles. Fake profiles now banned. MrMoo was Dean. You will see him sucking up to me. He had already puclicly declared on here he was going to bring down our business within a year. Various others posting in that thread, the whole enzyme crew on fake profiles. They come back time after time after time. They always swarm around me. They all support each other, and are only ever interested in causing a row. The exact same was happening when Mozzi was here. He was from the same little crowd of misfits. He had all his imaginary friends agreeing with him constantly. They do not just have fake profiles on here. They do the same on faceache in the groups. The poor lad who sent me a friend request just before committing suicide. I did not accept it. I can't anymore with people I do not know personally. That's because these blokes got fake profiles onto my personal social media previously.
Makes me very wary these days. Last year they had fake profiles that were here for more than a year. Making out they were disgruntled customers for a whole year in the shadows/background. Imagine having the time to do stuff like this out of pure spite. Imagine the mental state of people capable of such crap.
Makes me remember instantly to just steer clear of talking about anything bait related whatsoever.
I was stupid to post here in this thread. I was stupid to try to alleviate anglers fears that sponsored anglers are getting stuff they can't have. Banging your head against a brick wall and expecting a different result every time is insanity.
Let's just leave it there. You believe whatever you want. Some of you seem to have agendas about what people are up too. It always revolves around bait.
https://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=428451&ReadAll=1
What you will see from the posts that remain, is literally all fake profiles. Fake profiles now banned. MrMoo was Dean. You will see him sucking up to me. He had already puclicly declared on here he was going to bring down our business within a year. Various others posting in that thread, the whole enzyme crew on fake profiles. They come back time after time after time. They always swarm around me. They all support each other, and are only ever interested in causing a row. The exact same was happening when Mozzi was here. He was from the same little crowd of misfits. He had all his imaginary friends agreeing with him constantly. They do not just have fake profiles on here. They do the same on faceache in the groups. The poor lad who sent me a friend request just before committing suicide. I did not accept it. I can't anymore with people I do not know personally. That's because these blokes got fake profiles onto my personal social media previously.
Makes me very wary these days. Last year they had fake profiles that were here for more than a year. Making out they were disgruntled customers for a whole year in the shadows/background. Imagine having the time to do stuff like this out of pure spite. Imagine the mental state of people capable of such crap.
Makes me remember instantly to just steer clear of talking about anything bait related whatsoever.
I was stupid to post here in this thread. I was stupid to try to alleviate anglers fears that sponsored anglers are getting stuff they can't have. Banging your head against a brick wall and expecting a different result every time is insanity.
Let's just leave it there. You believe whatever you want. Some of you seem to have agendas about what people are up too. It always revolves around bait.
In reply to Post #48
Quote.... Also calling an unnamed water you know absolutely nothing about a “noddy syndicate” is extremely big headed of you.
Go on then, I will have a little nibble on your much later post edit.
What else would you call it? If an owner is taking large sums of money off of paying members into a syndicate, yet setting up situations for sponsored anglers like you are describing? I'd call it a nod pond, yes.
I've been on both sides of the sponsored angler receiving AND giving bait. So unlike you, I am not guessing, or using other unrelated instances to try to prove a point. I've had free bait from different bait companies. I've never been given or offered anything different to what any paying customer would get. I've given out more free stuff than you could EVER purchase in five lifetimes. No one has ever had anything like what you are referring too from me.
Just because you saw (or heard) of some swim get roped off for DL. It does not make you an expert on all things regarding what sponsored anglers get or don't get. I have no association with Mainline, I certainly have no reason whatsoever to defend them. I just know what you are alluding to is absolute crap.
As for DP catching 7 x 40's. There are over 2000 carp in that place. You speak of it like it is something special what he has done. Stop sucking down the media. It will likely stop you coming up with all these conspiracy theories inside your own head about what's happening. You are by your own admissions guessing. Yet at the same time this forum has proved that Mainline sell crap bait, and you have proved in your own head that sponsored anglers are getting super bait that you can't have.
It's all fantasy laa laa land stuff. But do not let that stop you. After all you were told a swim was roped off for DL. You now know it all apparently.
Quote.... Also calling an unnamed water you know absolutely nothing about a “noddy syndicate” is extremely big headed of you.
Go on then, I will have a little nibble on your much later post edit.
What else would you call it? If an owner is taking large sums of money off of paying members into a syndicate, yet setting up situations for sponsored anglers like you are describing? I'd call it a nod pond, yes.
I've been on both sides of the sponsored angler receiving AND giving bait. So unlike you, I am not guessing, or using other unrelated instances to try to prove a point. I've had free bait from different bait companies. I've never been given or offered anything different to what any paying customer would get. I've given out more free stuff than you could EVER purchase in five lifetimes. No one has ever had anything like what you are referring too from me.
Just because you saw (or heard) of some swim get roped off for DL. It does not make you an expert on all things regarding what sponsored anglers get or don't get. I have no association with Mainline, I certainly have no reason whatsoever to defend them. I just know what you are alluding to is absolute crap.
As for DP catching 7 x 40's. There are over 2000 carp in that place. You speak of it like it is something special what he has done. Stop sucking down the media. It will likely stop you coming up with all these conspiracy theories inside your own head about what's happening. You are by your own admissions guessing. Yet at the same time this forum has proved that Mainline sell crap bait, and you have proved in your own head that sponsored anglers are getting super bait that you can't have.
It's all fantasy laa laa land stuff. But do not let that stop you. After all you were told a swim was roped off for DL. You now know it all apparently.
I have never seen proof anywhere that mainline produce crap bait.
The ingredients listed don't look great but they are quite clearly labelled that way to stop people knowing what's in them.ive seen opinions that they're crap but that's not proof.
Just because they don't list loads of fancy ingredients doesn't make them crap. It just means they don't align with a 50 year old theory on what makes a good carp bait that everyone seems to think is gospel.
By that thinking, tiger nut, peanuts, sweetcorn & hemp are crap baits &we all know how good they are.
Mainline baits catch from most waters without any prebaiting & will continue to catch fish for many years after they were first used.Theres a reason they are the biggest bait company that has stood the test of time and yit's not because they're crap.
The ingredients listed don't look great but they are quite clearly labelled that way to stop people knowing what's in them.ive seen opinions that they're crap but that's not proof.
Just because they don't list loads of fancy ingredients doesn't make them crap. It just means they don't align with a 50 year old theory on what makes a good carp bait that everyone seems to think is gospel.
By that thinking, tiger nut, peanuts, sweetcorn & hemp are crap baits &we all know how good they are.
Mainline baits catch from most waters without any prebaiting & will continue to catch fish for many years after they were first used.Theres a reason they are the biggest bait company that has stood the test of time and yit's not because they're crap.
In reply to Post #54
Absolute nail on the head Jamie. All completely factual too.
The only people you will ever see saying that Mainline bait is crap, are anglers connected to other bait firms. Or people who have a vested interest in doing similar. Because they want what Mainline have for themselves. Dreamers.
It's the same as you will only ever hear my hook baits referred to as 'magic', by people connected to other bait firms and it always precedes some kind of attack. No one here is calling anything magic. Only idiots who wish they had our reach or customer base.
Do you now see why I reacted very badly when a group of you that had products and services to sell turned up at the same time? I hope you do. Because that always spells big trouble for me personally regarding this forum. At the same time people were trying to get the SHB threads removed. At the same time as numerous other fake profiles are bad mouthing my business on the sly.
You have to take the bad with the good. There will come a point when the bad far outweighs the good. Then they get what they want, they win. They already stopped me speaking to this forum about bait for the past five years. I stay out of anything now. Why bother? The people who will swarm around me, first trying to gain information, later on an all out attack. It will always be connected to other (failing/failed) bait firms.
It really upset me that I did not accept that young mans friend request. He comes from Gravesend. Same place as Enzyme Dean. It's their fake profiles and weird internet games that stopped me accepting that young mans friend request. I hate them mugs even more for that. I am lost how people can become so obsessed about someone. PeteB sent me a very strange message on the RMC forum 25 years ago. It was to inform me that all the fish I had just banked from Sutton as a new member were not that big in the greater scheme of things. It was a truly strange PM to send to a complete stranger. Long before SHB. But it kinda showed the strangeness of everything. I knew it was really about me posting those threads about bait. The hemp one, the cured boilies one. And more importantly people saying nice things to me. That is what kills these people more than anything. Put your head above the parapet on the internet, strange bait folks appear. It's a shame that they are so obsessed with this forum. It's not just them though. The same was going on very recently with Wayne & Bradders. Making their little plans of what to do next via PM. Creates really bad situations. Strange men on the internet with far to much time on their hands.
Absolute nail on the head Jamie. All completely factual too.
The only people you will ever see saying that Mainline bait is crap, are anglers connected to other bait firms. Or people who have a vested interest in doing similar. Because they want what Mainline have for themselves. Dreamers.
It's the same as you will only ever hear my hook baits referred to as 'magic', by people connected to other bait firms and it always precedes some kind of attack. No one here is calling anything magic. Only idiots who wish they had our reach or customer base.
Do you now see why I reacted very badly when a group of you that had products and services to sell turned up at the same time? I hope you do. Because that always spells big trouble for me personally regarding this forum. At the same time people were trying to get the SHB threads removed. At the same time as numerous other fake profiles are bad mouthing my business on the sly.
You have to take the bad with the good. There will come a point when the bad far outweighs the good. Then they get what they want, they win. They already stopped me speaking to this forum about bait for the past five years. I stay out of anything now. Why bother? The people who will swarm around me, first trying to gain information, later on an all out attack. It will always be connected to other (failing/failed) bait firms.
It really upset me that I did not accept that young mans friend request. He comes from Gravesend. Same place as Enzyme Dean. It's their fake profiles and weird internet games that stopped me accepting that young mans friend request. I hate them mugs even more for that. I am lost how people can become so obsessed about someone. PeteB sent me a very strange message on the RMC forum 25 years ago. It was to inform me that all the fish I had just banked from Sutton as a new member were not that big in the greater scheme of things. It was a truly strange PM to send to a complete stranger. Long before SHB. But it kinda showed the strangeness of everything. I knew it was really about me posting those threads about bait. The hemp one, the cured boilies one. And more importantly people saying nice things to me. That is what kills these people more than anything. Put your head above the parapet on the internet, strange bait folks appear. It's a shame that they are so obsessed with this forum. It's not just them though. The same was going on very recently with Wayne & Bradders. Making their little plans of what to do next via PM. Creates really bad situations. Strange men on the internet with far to much time on their hands.
In reply to Post #55
The good old cemex forum! I use to post on there as well as Chilli iirc, - I remember your posts some crackers on there and they certainly put a few fish on the bank for me. I use to enjoy reading them, one thing I alway thought about you was you are a great angler, not bad picking the horses but to top it all of you are an even better salesman. You missed you calling you should be doing that instead of stinking like a whores draws.
The good old cemex forum! I use to post on there as well as Chilli iirc, - I remember your posts some crackers on there and they certainly put a few fish on the bank for me. I use to enjoy reading them, one thing I alway thought about you was you are a great angler, not bad picking the horses but to top it all of you are an even better salesman. You missed you calling you should be doing that instead of stinking like a whores draws.
In reply to Post #54
I said ISO fish is “bang average” not crap. And considering what mainline charge for it, it is certainly nothing special.
I said ISO fish is “bang average” not crap. And considering what mainline charge for it, it is certainly nothing special.
In reply to Post #55
Your inability to read and comprehend what is being written is quite frankly astounding. I'm not going to bother answering every single one of your rambling points as in all honesty I can't be bothered and you will only twist them into something I didn't say in the first place.
Also, interesting tactic calling Dave lane a noddy.
Your inability to read and comprehend what is being written is quite frankly astounding. I'm not going to bother answering every single one of your rambling points as in all honesty I can't be bothered and you will only twist them into something I didn't say in the first place.
Also, interesting tactic calling Dave lane a noddy.
Keep making it up as you go along.
In reply to Post #59
I took a leaf out of your book
I took a leaf out of your book