In reply to Post #43
And people aren't at all suspicious there bait “packed with milk proteins” hasn't gone up in price 🤣

In reply to Post #46
Quality comes with a price tag

In reply to Post #47
and a lower profit margin, something has to give to stay profitable.
Up the end user price, or cheapen the mix.

In reply to Post #49
Mate, your input and advice is valuable and always appreciated
There are risks with harsh banter, that goes beyond a certain threshold, and most of the time, we just ignore and move on, but when it occurs on a daily basis, there´s so much one can take before exploding.

Had a quick guess at the profile of the recipe I've decided on trialing after numerous tweaks and test mixes this week.

Protein 43% Fat 8.5%

160g Norse LT94 Fishmeal 10 / 16
150g CLO and Red Factor Birdfood blend 1.8 / 9
110g Semolina 0.5 / 1
100g LT Sardine & Anchovy meal 6.3 / 9
80g CPSP90 PDF Fishmeal 6.8 / 8
70g Acid Casein 90 Mesh 6.3 / 1.5
70g Polenta 0.5 / 0.5
60g Kingfisher Red 0.7 / 10.2
60g FFHT Soya flour 2.2 / 13.2
50g WPC80 4 / 4
50g Hydrolysed Liver powder 3 / 11
20g Kelp powder 0.2 / 1
20g GLME (Full Fat Feedstim) 0.6 / 1


Per Six large eggs

20ml Calanus Hydrolysate
3ml John Baker Ala Salar flavour
1ml John Baker Plum or Peach flavour

In reply to Post #43
Price of breadcrumb gonna hit the roof soon

In reply to Post #51
Mixes don't half change often for you buddy 😂 bless ya socks.

Weigh yourself eggs as they change volume and weight all the time, crack 300g ( about six ) into a measured jug on a scale and bear in mind the volume.

For 300g of liquid egg to make around 800g finished bait I keep hydros PRE boiling at around 120g per kilo, so I'd personally up the calanus to about 90g.

I would have a bit of oil on stand by if the mix moss behaves, to 300g egg 10g hemp oil isn't going to do anything to its detriment.

Try blending hydros, you mind find something that suites you.

And if you aren't bothered what colour it is sub the kingfisher for an even blend of red chilli powder or paprika, and garlic powder.

In reply to Post #52
I think the price has been high since a Dragons Den episode.

I know people talk about protein content etc, but is it best to know the biological value of a bait
and is that the protein the fish can utilize,or am I talking cack

In reply to Post #56
Give them a bait they like to eat in the real world of pond, find attractive.
You can have a great bait on paper, but it doesn't send the fish into a frenzy in the pond.

Worry about the nutrition and science bit afterwards.
Enjoy the experimenting

In reply to Post #57
Yes, I was just asking as years ago I read everything on bait by Tim paisley passed on to me by a mate, in the end I could not take enymore, my lack of perseverance, but some things in my mind still hurt , it's more curiosity than me doing bait again

In reply to Post #58
You and me both. Think the average carp anglers 🧠 brain can only take so much TBH.

Tim's writings on bait back in the day were quite milk protein high, involved, interesting and sort of groundbreaking in terms of knowledge out to the masses via books and magazines, after Fred Wilton's HNV become known, and The great Rod Hutchinson and Geoff Kemp, etc.
Depends what side of the fence your Fishmeal bait choice is.
Attractor
HNV
Bit of both

In reply to Post #59
I think that's it, what I aim for is a bit of fish, milk and birdi
Lol, I think I'm just covering all bases, is that what thay call a balanced bait, lol I'll stop now before I say something stupid
Opps

In reply to Post #60
Nothing stupid there, any bait containing fish, milk and birdseed in the right amounts along with some carbs is a winner
Everyone learns something from this forum, conversations make you think, and evolve your own thinking 🤔

In reply to Post #61
Reading others conversations can also make you realise what you have forgotten whilst taking a journey down a rabbit hole!