In reply to Post #43
When carp come across bait I believe that they are more likely to feed and feeder harder and so become more catchable on some baits rather than others. This includes baits that at first look are very similar. If that's not true why aren't we all using the same bait, if making your own why include often expensive ingredients to make your bait the one they will be more enthusiastic for.
But as for carp searching our lakes for their favourite boilies and ignoring all others, my experience suggests that's just fantasy. They might ignore boilies and only feed when they come across tigers or maggots but that's not quite the same thing, if they are feeding on boilies on a lake where they see lots of them they will at least try a few if they find them in an area they feed and at a time they feed. If they aren't that keen on the taste they will move on quickly but if they really like them they will eat every one, and you will catch them.
When carp come across bait I believe that they are more likely to feed and feeder harder and so become more catchable on some baits rather than others. This includes baits that at first look are very similar. If that's not true why aren't we all using the same bait, if making your own why include often expensive ingredients to make your bait the one they will be more enthusiastic for.
But as for carp searching our lakes for their favourite boilies and ignoring all others, my experience suggests that's just fantasy. They might ignore boilies and only feed when they come across tigers or maggots but that's not quite the same thing, if they are feeding on boilies on a lake where they see lots of them they will at least try a few if they find them in an area they feed and at a time they feed. If they aren't that keen on the taste they will move on quickly but if they really like them they will eat every one, and you will catch them.
In reply to Post #44
Interesting, was it a conscious effort to make the bait high in salt, calcium and protein, were they able to ascertain a deficiency in the carps diet?
Interesting, was it a conscious effort to make the bait high in salt, calcium and protein, were they able to ascertain a deficiency in the carps diet?
In reply to Post #47
No not at all, the lads just picked a bait that we had used there before and used it again. The lake is ridiculously rich in naturals and always has been, but for some reason that one bait has always been very effective there. Very hard to explain or understand why but very noticeable.
No not at all, the lads just picked a bait that we had used there before and used it again. The lake is ridiculously rich in naturals and always has been, but for some reason that one bait has always been very effective there. Very hard to explain or understand why but very noticeable.
In reply to Post #48
There are some variables that you should take in consideration.
Type of bottom, pH of water, what ingredients is the mix containing, etc.
In addition, I've noticed that one bait with the inclusion of one specific ingredient can alter the catch rate and/or the common-mirror ratio.
E.g I fished extensively a certain lake for a period of 10 years.
And I've found that the addition of a poultry liquid on my fishmeal baits yielded to more commons than the use of aminol.
All other ingredient remained the same.
Also, (same water) I've noticed that the addition of sugars and sweeteners led to catching another part of the population.
There are some variables that you should take in consideration.
Type of bottom, pH of water, what ingredients is the mix containing, etc.
In addition, I've noticed that one bait with the inclusion of one specific ingredient can alter the catch rate and/or the common-mirror ratio.
E.g I fished extensively a certain lake for a period of 10 years.
And I've found that the addition of a poultry liquid on my fishmeal baits yielded to more commons than the use of aminol.
All other ingredient remained the same.
Also, (same water) I've noticed that the addition of sugars and sweeteners led to catching another part of the population.
In reply to Post #49
Poultry liquid?
Poultry liquid?
In reply to Post #50
Yes, something I could get hold on for 2 years and then it was not available any more.
It was a liquid hydrolysate of poultry meal.
Yes, something I could get hold on for 2 years and then it was not available any more.
It was a liquid hydrolysate of poultry meal.
In reply to Post #51
So a hydrolysate made from dried poultry meal?
I ask because I fiddle with enzymes and making it from meals is more appealing than using fresh chicken.
So a hydrolysate made from dried poultry meal?
I ask because I fiddle with enzymes and making it from meals is more appealing than using fresh chicken.
In reply to Post #52
theres a very simple answer to this
what do cyprinoids require to function?
theres a very simple answer to this
what do cyprinoids require to function?
In reply to Post #52
Maybe I expressed me wrong.
Since I didn't know the production process but the supplier told me that it's a liquid hydrolysate made of same stuff as poultry meal but the hydrolyzed and in liquid form.
Maybe I expressed me wrong.
Since I didn't know the production process but the supplier told me that it's a liquid hydrolysate made of same stuff as poultry meal but the hydrolyzed and in liquid form.
In reply to Post #54
Ok, thanks. English is not my native language so the misunderstanding may be on my side.
Ok, thanks. English is not my native language so the misunderstanding may be on my side.
In reply to Post #53
Is your conclusion ending with amino acids?
If so I believe there is a lot more to various hydrolysates than AAs alone.
Is your conclusion ending with amino acids?
If so I believe there is a lot more to various hydrolysates than AAs alone.
In reply to Post #56
No, it's not.
Just that some additives, products can influence what group/part of the population you're catching
No, it's not.
Just that some additives, products can influence what group/part of the population you're catching
In reply to Post #57
Very true but not commonly known in my view
Very true but not commonly known in my view
In reply to Post #57
My reply was to Frenzy.
Very interesting with how different ingredients appeal to different fish.
In tank testing taste preferences (single molecules) a rather large proportion of the fish, like 5-10% seem to have different preferences to the rest.
These was usually removed from the project and replaced.
My reply was to Frenzy.
Very interesting with how different ingredients appeal to different fish.
In tank testing taste preferences (single molecules) a rather large proportion of the fish, like 5-10% seem to have different preferences to the rest.
These was usually removed from the project and replaced.