In reply to Post #44
Exactly!
I've seen “fishmeal” boilies that have virtually none it just a flavour, dye and maybe 5/10% fishmeal which I don't get, it's cutting corners on an ingredient that's circa 2 quid a kilo! ( obviously pdfm and crustacean meals are more ).
One of the worst offenders I've seen is a maize and white crumb bait with a fist full of tigernut flour in it, I mean, it'll catch fish but it's not a nut bait!
Exactly!
I've seen “fishmeal” boilies that have virtually none it just a flavour, dye and maybe 5/10% fishmeal which I don't get, it's cutting corners on an ingredient that's circa 2 quid a kilo! ( obviously pdfm and crustacean meals are more ).
One of the worst offenders I've seen is a maize and white crumb bait with a fist full of tigernut flour in it, I mean, it'll catch fish but it's not a nut bait!
In reply to Post #45
It's totally dependant on the company, there are a LOT of rollers out there who made a 4 egg batch once, and saw it was easy money to make sh1te bait that rolls a dream. It's the equivalent of a Lego aficionado building your house ( alright an extreme example ).
The thing that surprises me is when people struggle to catch on bait. It's very very hard to make a bait that fish won't eat atleast once.
It's totally dependant on the company, there are a LOT of rollers out there who made a 4 egg batch once, and saw it was easy money to make sh1te bait that rolls a dream. It's the equivalent of a Lego aficionado building your house ( alright an extreme example ).
The thing that surprises me is when people struggle to catch on bait. It's very very hard to make a bait that fish won't eat atleast once.
In reply to Post #45
I would say that the bait you were using was not a good bait. I found the exact opposite when switching from big brands to a smaller company.
More realistic though is that the fish were feeding where your bait was at a specific time. Fishing has too many variables to say “the bait is the reason”. Without underwater recording 24/7 you will never know the half of it. You could have a rig on a spot for 48hrs and not catch, swap hookbaits and catch within 5 minutes. You'd say it was the bait but was it really just that the fish were not there and turned up 5 minutes after you recast? Or they were there and the weather changed and triggered a feed or that the fish that were there weren't interested and a different one arrived and was?
To simply say it's down to bait is wild imo. Did you become a better angler in that time, change venues, when did you use one and then change? Winter? Summer? Did you figure a venue out and learn the better spots to fish... endless list of other variables.
Irony of it all is, we spend our time trying to find a spot that the fish are happy to feed on naturally, we put bait on it and say it was The bait that caught the fish. But they were already feeding there anyway..? We just added extra food for them. It's like someone putting a poisoned steak out for you, you get home and there it is sitting on your normal plate waiting for you, you'd assume it's your dinner. If it's sitting on the sofa, no plate, you'd question what was going on wouldnt you?
I would say that the bait you were using was not a good bait. I found the exact opposite when switching from big brands to a smaller company.
More realistic though is that the fish were feeding where your bait was at a specific time. Fishing has too many variables to say “the bait is the reason”. Without underwater recording 24/7 you will never know the half of it. You could have a rig on a spot for 48hrs and not catch, swap hookbaits and catch within 5 minutes. You'd say it was the bait but was it really just that the fish were not there and turned up 5 minutes after you recast? Or they were there and the weather changed and triggered a feed or that the fish that were there weren't interested and a different one arrived and was?
To simply say it's down to bait is wild imo. Did you become a better angler in that time, change venues, when did you use one and then change? Winter? Summer? Did you figure a venue out and learn the better spots to fish... endless list of other variables.
Irony of it all is, we spend our time trying to find a spot that the fish are happy to feed on naturally, we put bait on it and say it was The bait that caught the fish. But they were already feeding there anyway..? We just added extra food for them. It's like someone putting a poisoned steak out for you, you get home and there it is sitting on your normal plate waiting for you, you'd assume it's your dinner. If it's sitting on the sofa, no plate, you'd question what was going on wouldnt you?
In reply to Post #48
I completely agree fishing has many variables. The bait I was using was a mainstream bait from one of the biggest companies about. Nothing changed in terms of approach rig and spot wise. I did have a better understanding of the lake naturally after spending time there. It was 100 percent the bait of that I have no doubt it was obvious to me. You will say it's bullshi1t and it could of been this that and the other but my findings where an expensive bait was streets ahead in terms of my results. It went from catching 1 every few trips of that to catching 2 a session. If your happy paying 6 quid for your bait that's brilliant I don't need to convince you otherwise, I was just stating that paying for what I consider to be a premium bait has completely changed my fishing and I wouldn't go back.
I completely agree fishing has many variables. The bait I was using was a mainstream bait from one of the biggest companies about. Nothing changed in terms of approach rig and spot wise. I did have a better understanding of the lake naturally after spending time there. It was 100 percent the bait of that I have no doubt it was obvious to me. You will say it's bullshi1t and it could of been this that and the other but my findings where an expensive bait was streets ahead in terms of my results. It went from catching 1 every few trips of that to catching 2 a session. If your happy paying 6 quid for your bait that's brilliant I don't need to convince you otherwise, I was just stating that paying for what I consider to be a premium bait has completely changed my fishing and I wouldn't go back.
In reply to Post #43
No, I just don't have a filter so will say what usually gets said behind closed doors. plus, some of us are privy to info others aren't.
You seem to have a filter when it comes to naming the recipes......
Surely the best BAIT is the one that catches the most fish, not necessarily the one that is the most complete food source? Remember when lakes were getting turned over on simple bird foods against people fishing full on proper milks? The ish just preferred eating them, and were able to eat loads. That's a better bait.
No, I just don't have a filter so will say what usually gets said behind closed doors. plus, some of us are privy to info others aren't.
You seem to have a filter when it comes to naming the recipes......
Surely the best BAIT is the one that catches the most fish, not necessarily the one that is the most complete food source? Remember when lakes were getting turned over on simple bird foods against people fishing full on proper milks? The ish just preferred eating them, and were able to eat loads. That's a better bait.
In reply to Post #49
I would love to know what companies you are referring to and the bait, this is an open forum, if we were talking about bad bedchairs we would be happy to state which one gave a bad back.
I would love to know what companies you are referring to and the bait, this is an open forum, if we were talking about bad bedchairs we would be happy to state which one gave a bad back.
In reply to Post #51
I could name the baits but then you just get accused of plugging certain companies and it never ends well.
I could name the baits but then you just get accused of plugging certain companies and it never ends well.
In reply to Post #51
Unless someone is prepared to name and praise, or name and shame then there is no point in posting. "I could tell you, but I won't". Winds me right up. If you're not prepared to tell all. Keep it to yourself.
Unless someone is prepared to name and praise, or name and shame then there is no point in posting. "I could tell you, but I won't". Winds me right up. If you're not prepared to tell all. Keep it to yourself.
In reply to Post #53
Jesus Christ your like an angry mob the bait I currently use is Rollinbaits optimum.
Jesus Christ your like an angry mob the bait I currently use is Rollinbaits optimum.
In reply to Post #54
Thanks. I'm sure it's a good bait, I have considered buying it myself, and still might.
Thanks. I'm sure it's a good bait, I have considered buying it myself, and still might.
In reply to Post #50
Surely the best BAIT is the one that catches the most fish, not necessarily the one that is the most complete food source? Remember when lakes were getting turned over on simple bird foods against people fishing full on proper milks
Amen to that! i hontesly believe a carp does not pick its food based on its nutritional content - i used to because that what i always read about and people told me. I dont anymore
Surely the best BAIT is the one that catches the most fish, not necessarily the one that is the most complete food source? Remember when lakes were getting turned over on simple bird foods against people fishing full on proper milks
Amen to that! i hontesly believe a carp does not pick its food based on its nutritional content - i used to because that what i always read about and people told me. I dont anymore
In reply to Post #54
Are the associated hook baits a necessity with the optimum?
Are the associated hook baits a necessity with the optimum?
In reply to Post #57
I've just got some optimum and first impressions is its a very soft bait and defo a high quality bait. They will go extremely soft within 12 hours and even with shrink wrap around the bait it expands from wherever it can due to the high amounts of soluble ingredients and you can literally push it together like paste.
I'm normally not a fan of hard hookbaits but I've just put in an order for some. If you need bottom bait hard hookers give them a call cos there not on the website yet
I've just got some optimum and first impressions is its a very soft bait and defo a high quality bait. They will go extremely soft within 12 hours and even with shrink wrap around the bait it expands from wherever it can due to the high amounts of soluble ingredients and you can literally push it together like paste.
I'm normally not a fan of hard hookbaits but I've just put in an order for some. If you need bottom bait hard hookers give them a call cos there not on the website yet
In reply to Post #58
I thought I saw some wafters on there?
I thought I saw some wafters on there?
In reply to Post #59
Yeah they do wafters on the website but if you want bottom bait hard hookers then you have to give them a call
Yeah they do wafters on the website but if you want bottom bait hard hookers then you have to give them a call