In reply to Post #43
It was at range on Harefield, and he was using “old tow rope” as mainline due to the cutoffs.
Remember - this was the 80's before 3lb+ test rods and “big” big pits. And he (as well as a few others) was still able to hit the middle area's, which is a big chuck......
The other thing to remember when fishing straight through is line stretch - you are better fishing a .35 “stretchy” mono when going for a big cast than a .40 low stretch one. It's all about that initial compression/load/shock on the line, once the lead is past the rod tip it doesn't matter.
It was at range on Harefield, and he was using “old tow rope” as mainline due to the cutoffs.
Remember - this was the 80's before 3lb+ test rods and “big” big pits. And he (as well as a few others) was still able to hit the middle area's, which is a big chuck......
The other thing to remember when fishing straight through is line stretch - you are better fishing a .35 “stretchy” mono when going for a big cast than a .40 low stretch one. It's all about that initial compression/load/shock on the line, once the lead is past the rod tip it doesn't matter.
In reply to Post #44
Yeah, you're right, mate. I'm not gonna last long. I'll take it as a compliment that you've felt the need to check how long I've been on the forum! 😂
So, with that, I'll leave you guys to it and just stay away from the forum.
I'll go back to my imaginary monofilament factory to make strimmer line
Yeah, you're right, mate. I'm not gonna last long. I'll take it as a compliment that you've felt the need to check how long I've been on the forum! 😂
So, with that, I'll leave you guys to it and just stay away from the forum.
I'll go back to my imaginary monofilament factory to make strimmer line
In reply to Post #47
That's the spirit
That's the spirit
You bunch of bullies,another new member you have driven out with your pitchforks,bloody terrible behaviour 
In reply to Post #7
Been a member a number of years and never seen the owner purposely baiting the middle, he will bait from a boat to your marker float as long as its not too choppy. In fact if you watch paul on his morning walk round the lake he baits with chops in most corners by throwing out by hand! not quite the baiting the middle as is presumed by a number of anglers who probably have never fished Grenville before. 75% of the carp I caught from there last year were caught at thirty yards or less.
Michael
Been a member a number of years and never seen the owner purposely baiting the middle, he will bait from a boat to your marker float as long as its not too choppy. In fact if you watch paul on his morning walk round the lake he baits with chops in most corners by throwing out by hand! not quite the baiting the middle as is presumed by a number of anglers who probably have never fished Grenville before. 75% of the carp I caught from there last year were caught at thirty yards or less.
Michael
In reply to Post #8
Thanks for your opinon, have you ever fished Grenville or set foot on the place?
Mugs?
takes one to know one jog on
Thanks for your opinon, have you ever fished Grenville or set foot on the place?
Mugs?
takes one to know one jog on
In reply to Post #51
surprising how many people seem to know about Grenvilles but spout a load of rubbish
must be fuelled by jealousy I reckon
surprising how many people seem to know about Grenvilles but spout a load of rubbish
must be fuelled by jealousy I reckon
I've only come across this rule once and it was a 2.5 oz limit.
The reason was there were a lot of swan mussels in the venue and they wanted to cut down the amount of line being left in the venue when people were getting cut off by reducing casting distances. They drained down every other year so were aware of how bad the problem was.
I'm not sure how long you will or will not last on here, but classing people who choose to fish a certain venue as "Mugs" will endear you to few
Best
Jon
The reason was there were a lot of swan mussels in the venue and they wanted to cut down the amount of line being left in the venue when people were getting cut off by reducing casting distances. They drained down every other year so were aware of how bad the problem was.
I'm not sure how long you will or will not last on here, but classing people who choose to fish a certain venue as "Mugs" will endear you to few
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #53
Come across a few times , its there for different reasons
Come across a few times , its there for different reasons
In reply to Post #53
Hi John,
Yeah, maybe calling other anglers mugs for fishing a certain venue, whether it's Grenville, or not was a tad strong. I meant no offence when I said it. But, when used in context of why there's a maximum weight rule on a deep lake, that is 75 acres in size, the rule is making the angling for more difficult than it should be.
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily. That maybe so, but a crack off is mostly caused by angling error, rather than the product itself. I've been saying that if an angler as cracked off using a 4oz lead on 0.37mm line, then, they've done something wrong.
A monofilament of 0.37mm won't crack off because of a 4oz lead, and if anyone thinks otherwise, then, they're sadly mistaken. No matter how much that dents their fragile ego.
However, if an angler is dumb enough to use a 6oz lead, or higher, then they are overloading the 0.37mm line and will crack off. But, I really didn't think I would need to explain something as obvious as that.
So, here's yet another obvious explanation. Using a heavy lead isn't just about being able to cast to the horizon. On a lake the size of Grenville, where there's obvious undertow, especially in strong winds, a 4oz lead would keep a baited rig in situ far better than a 3oz lead would.
So, why have a stupid rule, such as a maximum of 3oz on a deep lake that's 75 acres in size?
You've mentioned a lake you fished at that had a lot of swan mussels, so they restricted the weight to 2.5oz to prevent crack offs when long range casting. Why didn't the fishery impose a stronger line rule and pass on a bit of tuition, instead of imposing a nonsensical rule?
Back to Grenville.
Riggy stated that most of his captures were 30yds, or less. I can well believe that. I'm not, nor have I ever implied that carp can't be caught close in on Grenville, or any other large lake. But, if anglers can't cast long range, because of too light a weight, or strong winds, or undertow, then it stands to reason that a baited rig is going close in.
It made me laugh when I was told to get around the 3oz lead rule and be able to cast long range, the anglers use a 3oz lead in solid bag. With the weight of the bait included, the overall casting weight is over 5.5oz...now that is overloading 0.37mm. And yet the fishery manager at Grenville allows this????
Talk about double standards.
Also, I've never implied that the fishery manager doesn't bait the margins. I would've thought that he does. But, I do know for a fact that he's banned pellets, and yet, feeds pellets into the lake and on times, beyond casting range. I know that's been happening, because I know a few lads who's fished there and they told me. I replied, you're mugs for fishing there...but, they didn't go into meltdown when I said it.
As for jealousy. With all the restrictions on fishing and the price of the syndicate, how exactly am I being jealous??? Chenmenie you're an absolute prat 😂
Tightlines everyone and may all your best fishes come true.
Sayonara
Hi John,
Yeah, maybe calling other anglers mugs for fishing a certain venue, whether it's Grenville, or not was a tad strong. I meant no offence when I said it. But, when used in context of why there's a maximum weight rule on a deep lake, that is 75 acres in size, the rule is making the angling for more difficult than it should be.
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily. That maybe so, but a crack off is mostly caused by angling error, rather than the product itself. I've been saying that if an angler as cracked off using a 4oz lead on 0.37mm line, then, they've done something wrong.
A monofilament of 0.37mm won't crack off because of a 4oz lead, and if anyone thinks otherwise, then, they're sadly mistaken. No matter how much that dents their fragile ego.
However, if an angler is dumb enough to use a 6oz lead, or higher, then they are overloading the 0.37mm line and will crack off. But, I really didn't think I would need to explain something as obvious as that.
So, here's yet another obvious explanation. Using a heavy lead isn't just about being able to cast to the horizon. On a lake the size of Grenville, where there's obvious undertow, especially in strong winds, a 4oz lead would keep a baited rig in situ far better than a 3oz lead would.
So, why have a stupid rule, such as a maximum of 3oz on a deep lake that's 75 acres in size?
You've mentioned a lake you fished at that had a lot of swan mussels, so they restricted the weight to 2.5oz to prevent crack offs when long range casting. Why didn't the fishery impose a stronger line rule and pass on a bit of tuition, instead of imposing a nonsensical rule?
Back to Grenville.
Riggy stated that most of his captures were 30yds, or less. I can well believe that. I'm not, nor have I ever implied that carp can't be caught close in on Grenville, or any other large lake. But, if anglers can't cast long range, because of too light a weight, or strong winds, or undertow, then it stands to reason that a baited rig is going close in.
It made me laugh when I was told to get around the 3oz lead rule and be able to cast long range, the anglers use a 3oz lead in solid bag. With the weight of the bait included, the overall casting weight is over 5.5oz...now that is overloading 0.37mm. And yet the fishery manager at Grenville allows this????
Talk about double standards.
Also, I've never implied that the fishery manager doesn't bait the margins. I would've thought that he does. But, I do know for a fact that he's banned pellets, and yet, feeds pellets into the lake and on times, beyond casting range. I know that's been happening, because I know a few lads who's fished there and they told me. I replied, you're mugs for fishing there...but, they didn't go into meltdown when I said it.
As for jealousy. With all the restrictions on fishing and the price of the syndicate, how exactly am I being jealous??? Chenmenie you're an absolute prat 😂
Tightlines everyone and may all your best fishes come true.
Sayonara
In reply to Post #55
Try digging upwards.
Try digging upwards.
In reply to Post #55
I mentioned nothing about crack offs
Anyway you carry on, you're creating quite the persona all on your lonesome......
Best
Jon
I mentioned nothing about crack offs
Anyway you carry on, you're creating quite the persona all on your lonesome......
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #55
NielG1210 Don't call me a prat, its very brave of you when sitting behind a keyboard
now do us all a favour and jog on
NielG1210 Don't call me a prat, its very brave of you when sitting behind a keyboard
now do us all a favour and jog on
In reply to Post #58
It's also very brave of you to slag me off, make me out to be something I'm not and then get your pals to act with a pack mentality.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
But, I agree with you that I'm not on here. That's it I'm done
It's also very brave of you to slag me off, make me out to be something I'm not and then get your pals to act with a pack mentality.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
But, I agree with you that I'm not on here. That's it I'm done
In reply to Post #40
As you say its down to physics.
Crack offs occur when the sudden point loading on the line exceeds the lines yield strength, that strength can be reduced due to damage from nicks, UV damage or simply a weak point caused by repeated stress.
A larger lead will lead to more crack offs due to the lower acceleration require to reach the same force. Along with the additional mass the will be larger reaction forces from the lead resisting the sudden acceleration, thus the elastic limit of the mono will be reached faster.
Higher stretch lines will crack off less than the equivalent breaking strain pre stretched.
However that can be overcome by changing casting technique or rod. A progressive rod would load more slowly than a fast taper and allow for more gradual acceleration and less instant stress on the line but you wouldn't achieve the same distances as you would achieve lower lead speed.
As you say its down to physics.
Crack offs occur when the sudden point loading on the line exceeds the lines yield strength, that strength can be reduced due to damage from nicks, UV damage or simply a weak point caused by repeated stress.
A larger lead will lead to more crack offs due to the lower acceleration require to reach the same force. Along with the additional mass the will be larger reaction forces from the lead resisting the sudden acceleration, thus the elastic limit of the mono will be reached faster.
Higher stretch lines will crack off less than the equivalent breaking strain pre stretched.
However that can be overcome by changing casting technique or rod. A progressive rod would load more slowly than a fast taper and allow for more gradual acceleration and less instant stress on the line but you wouldn't achieve the same distances as you would achieve lower lead speed.