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Wheat gluten hydrolysate (100 posts / 6,922 views)
scozza
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Post #46 12 Jun 2021 10:32
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The bottom was ripped to bits the day after.

That's interesting, I wouldn't have thought they would have hung around if there was nothing to satisfy them other than a liquid attractant, was this over bait out of interest or just a liquid?
MrM00
Posts: 613
Post #47 12 Jun 2021 10:32
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Now that's encouraging for sure.....

Viking, what hydro have you been toying with if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks.
viking
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Post #48 12 Jun 2021 10:51
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A mix of shrimp/soy/wheat this was.
With some spices and essential oils and a couple of other bits added.
But just the straight up hydro show a lot of promise.
lincs-carper
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Post #49 12 Jun 2021 16:01
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I'll be pursuing this with great interest for sure and I hope it's the beginning of something good. Viking, thats a great combo of liquids and I wonder whether the glutamate from soya has a more far reaching effect than just ffaa? I've got a few other ideas that I'd love to look at but I think for now the hydro experiment will keep me busy
viking
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Post #50 12 Jun 2021 18:46
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Quite possible:

Yan and Qiu-Zhou [9] proved that the addition of 0.4%, 0.8%, and 1.2% glutamate to feed of juvenile Jian carp (Cyprinus carpio var. Jian) resulted in higher live weight, improved feed conversion, increased body length and intestinal weight, and increased intestinal enzymatic activity. According to the authors, these beneficial effects were due to glutamate, which is a precursor of nucleotide biosynthesis in rapidly dividing cells and source of energy for enterocytes.
viking
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Post #51 12 Jun 2021 18:56
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Hi Scozza, missed your post earlier. Basically just thick liquid, but there was probably the odd bit and piece of soy bean as I had a very coarse meal.
The bottom was covered with some sort of short grass-like weed over silt and this was all dug up and floating about.
scozza
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Post #52 12 Jun 2021 19:46
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Must be something there that has kept them rooting mate. Wouldn't expect them to hang around without getting something back from it myself
viking
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Post #53 13 Jun 2021 09:20
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In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal or even just pure amino acids in a solution.
In this case thou I am sure the fish found particles from the hydrolysate as it is pretty crude.
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #54 14 Jun 2021 14:57
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In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal

See my post #40
viking
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Post #55 14 Jun 2021 20:06
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Hi Ken,
Yes you are right.
I pumped diluted liquid into the gravel and had the fish digging about for several minutes.
I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #56 15 Jun 2021 09:00
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I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people

Say no more...
MrM00
Posts: 613
Post #57 15 Jun 2021 20:02
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May I ask what seems to be the problem and just why this subject hits so many nerves?

Many people and established bait companies, Baitworks being one, use captive fish for initial response/ acceptance levels. I would imagine that seeing a high or good response from these fish would at least let you know and give you a heads up if the ingredient is readily acceptable, even more so if they go crazy for it. Puzzled
viking
Posts: 1,225
Post #58 15 Jun 2021 21:31
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Let's not forget Kevin Maddocks, amino acids and the hair
You will notice if you hang around and read the old bait threads.
It is usually the same few people who seem to be upset. There is some history with these forum members and some hookbaits that didn't really impress the tank fish.
lincs-carper
Posts: 920
Post #59 15 Jun 2021 22:05
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Imvho taken tests are very good at deciphering whether a substance is an attractant or a repellent (ive had a few of these) and yes you can get an idea whether the fish seem "excited" in the tank but the ultimate test is a lake.. Some foods which I've "tested" on pond fish haven't looked good at all yet in a lake they have worked very well... Maybe the aquatic environment of a lake is such a different environment that some baits behave differently, who knows! But you know what, who cares, if it works for you then Brill but if not it's not a drama....
lincs-carper
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Post #60 15 Jun 2021 22:09
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Anyway, an update on my findings. I had a day session on a local lake with my baits again heavily glugged in 2 hydros vwg/liver. My results again were very instant and long lived.. 10 fish in a few hrs.. To give it a bit more of a test I gave some to another lad who was struggling and he mixed 30ml in his stick mix.. Instant result on what was a quiet day for him.... Getting somewhere now I think.
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