In reply to Post #44
The bottom was ripped to bits the day after.
That's interesting, I wouldn't have thought they would have hung around if there was nothing to satisfy them other than a liquid attractant, was this over bait out of interest or just a liquid?
The bottom was ripped to bits the day after.
That's interesting, I wouldn't have thought they would have hung around if there was nothing to satisfy them other than a liquid attractant, was this over bait out of interest or just a liquid?
In reply to Post #43
Now that's encouraging for sure.....
Viking, what hydro have you been toying with if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks.
Now that's encouraging for sure.....
Viking, what hydro have you been toying with if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks.
In reply to Post #47
A mix of shrimp/soy/wheat this was.
With some spices and essential oils and a couple of other bits added.
But just the straight up hydro show a lot of promise.
A mix of shrimp/soy/wheat this was.
With some spices and essential oils and a couple of other bits added.
But just the straight up hydro show a lot of promise.
I'll be pursuing this with great interest for sure and I hope it's the beginning of something good. Viking, thats a great combo of liquids and I wonder whether the glutamate from soya has a more far reaching effect than just ffaa? I've got a few other ideas that I'd love to look at but I think for now the hydro experiment will keep me busy
In reply to Post #49
Quite possible:
Yan and Qiu-Zhou [9] proved that the addition of 0.4%, 0.8%, and 1.2% glutamate to feed of juvenile Jian carp (Cyprinus carpio var. Jian) resulted in higher live weight, improved feed conversion, increased body length and intestinal weight, and increased intestinal enzymatic activity. According to the authors, these beneficial effects were due to glutamate, which is a precursor of nucleotide biosynthesis in rapidly dividing cells and source of energy for enterocytes.
Quite possible:
Yan and Qiu-Zhou [9] proved that the addition of 0.4%, 0.8%, and 1.2% glutamate to feed of juvenile Jian carp (Cyprinus carpio var. Jian) resulted in higher live weight, improved feed conversion, increased body length and intestinal weight, and increased intestinal enzymatic activity. According to the authors, these beneficial effects were due to glutamate, which is a precursor of nucleotide biosynthesis in rapidly dividing cells and source of energy for enterocytes.
In reply to Post #46
Hi Scozza, missed your post earlier. Basically just thick liquid, but there was probably the odd bit and piece of soy bean as I had a very coarse meal.
The bottom was covered with some sort of short grass-like weed over silt and this was all dug up and floating about.
Hi Scozza, missed your post earlier. Basically just thick liquid, but there was probably the odd bit and piece of soy bean as I had a very coarse meal.
The bottom was covered with some sort of short grass-like weed over silt and this was all dug up and floating about.
In reply to Post #51
Must be something there that has kept them rooting mate. Wouldn't expect them to hang around without getting something back from it myself
Must be something there that has kept them rooting mate. Wouldn't expect them to hang around without getting something back from it myself
In reply to Post #52
In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal or even just pure amino acids in a solution.
In this case thou I am sure the fish found particles from the hydrolysate as it is pretty crude.
In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal or even just pure amino acids in a solution.
In this case thou I am sure the fish found particles from the hydrolysate as it is pretty crude.
In reply to Post #53
In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal
See my post #40
In tank testing you can have the carp digging for a pretty long time with nothing but food signal
See my post #40
In reply to Post #54
Hi Ken,
Yes you are right.
I pumped diluted liquid into the gravel and had the fish digging about for several minutes.
I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people
Hi Ken,
Yes you are right.
I pumped diluted liquid into the gravel and had the fish digging about for several minutes.
I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people
In reply to Post #55
I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people
Say no more...
I won't post the videos again as it seem to upset some people
Say no more...
In reply to Post #56
May I ask what seems to be the problem and just why this subject hits so many nerves?
Many people and established bait companies, Baitworks being one, use captive fish for initial response/ acceptance levels. I would imagine that seeing a high or good response from these fish would at least let you know and give you a heads up if the ingredient is readily acceptable, even more so if they go crazy for it. Puzzled
May I ask what seems to be the problem and just why this subject hits so many nerves?
Many people and established bait companies, Baitworks being one, use captive fish for initial response/ acceptance levels. I would imagine that seeing a high or good response from these fish would at least let you know and give you a heads up if the ingredient is readily acceptable, even more so if they go crazy for it. Puzzled
In reply to Post #57
Let's not forget Kevin Maddocks, amino acids and the hair
You will notice if you hang around and read the old bait threads.
It is usually the same few people who seem to be upset. There is some history with these forum members and some hookbaits that didn't really impress the tank fish.
Let's not forget Kevin Maddocks, amino acids and the hair
You will notice if you hang around and read the old bait threads.
It is usually the same few people who seem to be upset. There is some history with these forum members and some hookbaits that didn't really impress the tank fish.
In reply to Post #58
Imvho taken tests are very good at deciphering whether a substance is an attractant or a repellent (ive had a few of these) and yes you can get an idea whether the fish seem "excited" in the tank but the ultimate test is a lake.. Some foods which I've "tested" on pond fish haven't looked good at all yet in a lake they have worked very well... Maybe the aquatic environment of a lake is such a different environment that some baits behave differently, who knows! But you know what, who cares, if it works for you then Brill but if not it's not a drama....
Imvho taken tests are very good at deciphering whether a substance is an attractant or a repellent (ive had a few of these) and yes you can get an idea whether the fish seem "excited" in the tank but the ultimate test is a lake.. Some foods which I've "tested" on pond fish haven't looked good at all yet in a lake they have worked very well... Maybe the aquatic environment of a lake is such a different environment that some baits behave differently, who knows! But you know what, who cares, if it works for you then Brill but if not it's not a drama....
Anyway, an update on my findings. I had a day session on a local lake with my baits again heavily glugged in 2 hydros vwg/liver. My results again were very instant and long lived.. 10 fish in a few hrs.. To give it a bit more of a test I gave some to another lad who was struggling and he mixed 30ml in his stick mix.. Instant result on what was a quiet day for him.... Getting somewhere now I think.