In reply to Post #46
dont know about uk after brexit now... as far as I know the most positive estimations for eu are that by april countries will get vaccine for cca 15% of population. CCa 60% people have to be vaccinated for the vaccine to stop virus so if those numbers are true we can expect some sort of lock downs till end of 2021. The only problem is no one knows how long vaccine is affective for, for now they say it should be up to 1 year at least so if it is only 1 year than people getting it in 2021 will already have to be vaccinated again in 2022 etc... Many issues could be saved by quick reliable tests... I have more hope for them than vaccine to be honest...
dont know about uk after brexit now... as far as I know the most positive estimations for eu are that by april countries will get vaccine for cca 15% of population. CCa 60% people have to be vaccinated for the vaccine to stop virus so if those numbers are true we can expect some sort of lock downs till end of 2021. The only problem is no one knows how long vaccine is affective for, for now they say it should be up to 1 year at least so if it is only 1 year than people getting it in 2021 will already have to be vaccinated again in 2022 etc... Many issues could be saved by quick reliable tests... I have more hope for them than vaccine to be honest...
In reply to Post #47
I feel that common sense will prevail if inoculation is not widely available and it is possible that a Covid test may be all that is required. In the longer term it is possible that those people that refuse to be inoculated may severely have their travel plans affected. Early days yet so all we can do is hope that things will begin to improve in the new year.
I feel that common sense will prevail if inoculation is not widely available and it is possible that a Covid test may be all that is required. In the longer term it is possible that those people that refuse to be inoculated may severely have their travel plans affected. Early days yet so all we can do is hope that things will begin to improve in the new year.
In reply to Post #47
That seems about right. It's obvious when you think about it.
It's a massive logistics and resource exercise. It's obvious to anybody with a modicum of common sense that if your not on a priority list (so not over 55 and or not on the at risk list) it will almost certainly be the later part of 2021 at the earliest before the vaccine is available to you.
If the protection period is less than say 8 or so months, then by the time the "at risk" and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will have to start again with them. Pushing the rest of us down the list and the timescales.
Many countries are now ONLY allowing you to enter with a negative Covid test obtained no longer than 72 hours before arrival. (example South Africa).
At the moment there is no entry into Australia or NZ, so it does not seem much of an obvious extension to the current policy being adopted by some countries that a Covid Vaccination card will be needed prior to entry.
People are being massively over optimistic with this issue of vaccination, which has been a feature of the approach adopted to Covid by most people since March!
That seems about right. It's obvious when you think about it.
It's a massive logistics and resource exercise. It's obvious to anybody with a modicum of common sense that if your not on a priority list (so not over 55 and or not on the at risk list) it will almost certainly be the later part of 2021 at the earliest before the vaccine is available to you.
If the protection period is less than say 8 or so months, then by the time the "at risk" and vulnerable are vaccinated, they will have to start again with them. Pushing the rest of us down the list and the timescales.
Many countries are now ONLY allowing you to enter with a negative Covid test obtained no longer than 72 hours before arrival. (example South Africa).
At the moment there is no entry into Australia or NZ, so it does not seem much of an obvious extension to the current policy being adopted by some countries that a Covid Vaccination card will be needed prior to entry.
People are being massively over optimistic with this issue of vaccination, which has been a feature of the approach adopted to Covid by most people since March!
In reply to Post #49
and lets not forget that it hasn't been proven yet that even vaccinated people dont carry and transmit virus... at the moment it has been only proven that they dont get heavily sick! So at the moment all rules apply the same for people being vaccinated or not... it is gonna be a crazy year again... all I know is I am going to France fishing in January and February if my car doesnt brake down again
looks like quarantine and/or test after fishing abroad will be the norm for some time now so my hopes are in fast, reliable and available testing to be honest. edited: - really shuldnt write that, lights just came up on my dashboard as I was driving girls to school, dont know if I should laugh or cry
and lets not forget that it hasn't been proven yet that even vaccinated people dont carry and transmit virus... at the moment it has been only proven that they dont get heavily sick! So at the moment all rules apply the same for people being vaccinated or not... it is gonna be a crazy year again... all I know is I am going to France fishing in January and February if my car doesnt brake down again
looks like quarantine and/or test after fishing abroad will be the norm for some time now so my hopes are in fast, reliable and available testing to be honest. edited: - really shuldnt write that, lights just came up on my dashboard as I was driving girls to school, dont know if I should laugh or cry
It's going to be interesting trying to take bait to France next year...
https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animalproducts/personal_imports_en
In reply to Post #48
Think that sounds more like it Jim. I'm sure i read last year that France is the UK's most visited country and as such the French are not likely to crush their own economy by stopping the vast majority of Brits travelling to their country surely. I would assume like you that there will be several caveats linked to travel plans but would imagine that they will all be within reach of anyone under 55. I may well be way off the mark but economic suicide surely won't be high on Macron's agenda????
Think that sounds more like it Jim. I'm sure i read last year that France is the UK's most visited country and as such the French are not likely to crush their own economy by stopping the vast majority of Brits travelling to their country surely. I would assume like you that there will be several caveats linked to travel plans but would imagine that they will all be within reach of anyone under 55. I may well be way off the mark but economic suicide surely won't be high on Macron's agenda????
“From 1 January 2021 you will not be able to bring POAO (products of animal origin) such as those containing meat or dairy (eg a ham and cheese sandwich) into the EU,” the official guidance states.
There's an article all about this in the Guardian today
There's an article all about this in the Guardian today
In reply to Post #52
I am sure that you are right Ash, however until the Brexit shambles finally sorted out nothing can be known regarding future travel restrictions. I feel that without doubt there will be a bit more paperwork needed and restrictions on what 'food stuff' can be taken across the border but at the moment It is the Covid issues that are foremost in formulating travel rules. It is a case of 'watch this space' and hope that common sense prevails.
I am sure that you are right Ash, however until the Brexit shambles finally sorted out nothing can be known regarding future travel restrictions. I feel that without doubt there will be a bit more paperwork needed and restrictions on what 'food stuff' can be taken across the border but at the moment It is the Covid issues that are foremost in formulating travel rules. It is a case of 'watch this space' and hope that common sense prevails.
In reply to Post #52
France is the world's most visited country by tourists. Spain is actually number one for British tourists.
France is the world's most visited country by tourists. Spain is actually number one for British tourists.
In reply to Post #55
Thanks for clearing that one up
Thanks for clearing that one up
Well if I can't take bait to France next year I won't be fishing there again. The lakes I fish don't sell bait or tackle and I would not be even sure we will be allowed to take particles either?
In reply to Post #57
I doubt you need to worry as I don't think anyone will be going at this rate
I doubt you need to worry as I don't think anyone will be going at this rate
I will be living in France after Christmas, so shouldn't be an issue for me. I would love to take up all your dates but I couldn't afford it.
In reply to Post #59
Increase in paperwork , increase in waiting times , increase in speeding fines 😁 , but not enough to stop people travelling to the theatre of dreams for a week a year .
There may be need for covid negative checks , but this covid has a long way to run , and shows in complete contrast to France we are a very over populated rock in the north sea .
Increase in paperwork , increase in waiting times , increase in speeding fines 😁 , but not enough to stop people travelling to the theatre of dreams for a week a year .
There may be need for covid negative checks , but this covid has a long way to run , and shows in complete contrast to France we are a very over populated rock in the north sea .
Now we have a free trade deal with the EU it's going to be a lot easier travelling to France.
It's just Covid that is the issue now....
It's just Covid that is the issue now....