In reply to Post #43
Nothing to do with personal stash, strange comment! it's about fishing a venue as effectively as possible. If I'm on Windermere and the lake goes from a few feet in the margins to a 20ft drop off 100 yards out (like many lakes up there do ) the fish will be on the drop off. So you are basically either saying we shouldn't fish them or you have to cast as far as you can but probably blank. Absolute tosh.
Fishing has moved on, if you disapprove of anglers for example bivvy/boating on places like the orient fine..... don't criticise them, just do your own thing as by the sounds of it you'd quite like us to go back to split cane rods and bent pins for hooks.
Nothing to do with personal stash, strange comment! it's about fishing a venue as effectively as possible. If I'm on Windermere and the lake goes from a few feet in the margins to a 20ft drop off 100 yards out (like many lakes up there do ) the fish will be on the drop off. So you are basically either saying we shouldn't fish them or you have to cast as far as you can but probably blank. Absolute tosh.
Fishing has moved on, if you disapprove of anglers for example bivvy/boating on places like the orient fine..... don't criticise them, just do your own thing as by the sounds of it you'd quite like us to go back to split cane rods and bent pins for hooks.
The problem with this argument is that I'd guess most of the people on here who use bait boats are exactly the sort of people who wouldn't take the piss when using one. But rules are created because of the morons who've created issues in the past.
I guess most of the people on here know how to set up a leadcore leader properly. But they are still banned on loads of waters cos the owners can't make you take some sort of competency exam before you fish.
I fish some exceptional waters, with some highly skilled anglers, who make me look a total numpty, these are exactly the sort of place where you'd think there would be no need to have rules, but they still have them cos there's no accounting for the odd fish at all costs, spoil it for everyone else, bellend.
I guess most of the people on here know how to set up a leadcore leader properly. But they are still banned on loads of waters cos the owners can't make you take some sort of competency exam before you fish.
I fish some exceptional waters, with some highly skilled anglers, who make me look a total numpty, these are exactly the sort of place where you'd think there would be no need to have rules, but they still have them cos there's no accounting for the odd fish at all costs, spoil it for everyone else, bellend.
In reply to Post #46
We're going to have to agree to disagree on bait boats I'm afraid.
My reasons are simple enough. Nothing to do with progress or innovation. I made no criticism of anglers with bivvies on the Orient. And to clarify the personal stash comment it was reiterating my primary point about the fish being there because it's where they live rather than purely for people to catch them and if there are areas that are unfishable then I'm good with that.
I fish for lots of reasons. Thinking time, appreciation of nature, talking to other anglers. If I blank, I blank. I'm fine with it.
I do my thing and let others do theirs and occasionally I offer my wisdom on here (that's tongue in cheek).
I know Windermere well and used to fish a lot of the lakes with my dad who managed to catch pike without a bait boat...
Best of luck to you and watch out for the swans up there. They don't take prisoners!
We're going to have to agree to disagree on bait boats I'm afraid.
My reasons are simple enough. Nothing to do with progress or innovation. I made no criticism of anglers with bivvies on the Orient. And to clarify the personal stash comment it was reiterating my primary point about the fish being there because it's where they live rather than purely for people to catch them and if there are areas that are unfishable then I'm good with that.
I fish for lots of reasons. Thinking time, appreciation of nature, talking to other anglers. If I blank, I blank. I'm fine with it.
I do my thing and let others do theirs and occasionally I offer my wisdom on here (that's tongue in cheek).
I know Windermere well and used to fish a lot of the lakes with my dad who managed to catch pike without a bait boat...
Best of luck to you and watch out for the swans up there. They don't take prisoners!
In reply to Post #48
Waiting for Nashy to bring out a 200 yd baiting pole 😊 .
Waiting for Nashy to bring out a 200 yd baiting pole 😊 .
In reply to Post #47
In reply to Post #48
Good post.
Good post.
Shouldn't it just be a case of, if you have one and you are on a lake where they are allowed and you feel you can fish more effectively by doing so in a given situation, then why not. Some very good anglers use them to great effect when required, including Dave Lane, Steve Briggs, Scott Lloyd and Terry Hearn, clearly all massive Noddys.
In reply to Post #22
In my opinion banning boats puts everyone on a level playing field. It's the fact that incredibly average anglers can make themselves look good by using a boat that doesn't sit right in my eyes.
Take Tranters example, a tricky cast to a visible feature. If boats are banned the better angler will always catch more as a direct result of their skill. Add a boat into the equation and someone who's never even held a rod would have the same odds.
And that's wrong why exactly? are you saying only the more accomplished anglers deserve to catch - because that's certainly how it comes across.
I don't own a bait boat.
In my opinion banning boats puts everyone on a level playing field. It's the fact that incredibly average anglers can make themselves look good by using a boat that doesn't sit right in my eyes.
Take Tranters example, a tricky cast to a visible feature. If boats are banned the better angler will always catch more as a direct result of their skill. Add a boat into the equation and someone who's never even held a rod would have the same odds.
And that's wrong why exactly? are you saying only the more accomplished anglers deserve to catch - because that's certainly how it comes across.
I don't own a bait boat.
In reply to Post #53
Surely the most accomplished, experienced, and well practiced in any sport or pastime deserve the best results?
Surely the most accomplished, experienced, and well practiced in any sport or pastime deserve the best results?
I used to have a real hate of baitboats, until I fished a water where I was allowed to use a rowing boat. Great way to put a bed of hemp out but sometimes a lot of faff, so I bought a baitboat, sorted. Always used to cast my rigs out though.
Now, as I've got older I just feel more live and let live about fishing and life in general and really don't see any harm in someone using a baitboat as long as they're sensible. I've even lifted their ban on my lake. If it helps even one person enjoy their angling more then all's good.
I'll continue to flick my rigs out personally.
Now, as I've got older I just feel more live and let live about fishing and life in general and really don't see any harm in someone using a baitboat as long as they're sensible. I've even lifted their ban on my lake. If it helps even one person enjoy their angling more then all's good.
I'll continue to flick my rigs out personally.
In reply to Post #55
Great way to live life If it don't hurt you why let it bother you.
Great way to live life
If it don't hurt you why let it bother you.
In reply to Post #54
No one "Deserves" the best results. Not in any hobby or sport.
I have no problems with bait boats, doesn't bother me who uses one.
Each to their own.
No one "Deserves" the best results. Not in any hobby or sport.
I have no problems with bait boats, doesn't bother me who uses one.
Each to their own.
In reply to Post #54
They might get the best results but they don't deserve it as a right.
I am all for effort equals reward but I don't really go for the dumbing down arguement (ie, bait boats make it too easy) lots of stuff we use these days make it easier to catch carp. I caught a 35 the other day - I was fast asleep at the time...
They might get the best results but they don't deserve it as a right.
I am all for effort equals reward but I don't really go for the dumbing down arguement (ie, bait boats make it too easy) lots of stuff we use these days make it easier to catch carp. I caught a 35 the other day - I was fast asleep at the time...
In reply to Post #58
They might get the best results but they don't deserve it as a right.
It's not a right. Its earned.
They might get the best results but they don't deserve it as a right.
It's not a right. Its earned.
In reply to Post #57
No one "Deserves" the best results. Not in any hobby or sport.
I've tried my best to make sense of that statement but I cant. The most hard working, dedicate, learned and to an extent gifted, participant in any pastime deserves the best results. Its earned, not given.
No one "Deserves" the best results. Not in any hobby or sport.
I've tried my best to make sense of that statement but I cant. The most hard working, dedicate, learned and to an extent gifted, participant in any pastime deserves the best results. Its earned, not given.