In reply to Post #30
But that's not an argument is it? I drink from a lead pipe hence Iead dropping is ok. i saw Mark pitchers make the same argument: because a lot of people in the UK drink from lead pipes, I can drop leads in a Belgian lake.
But that's not an argument is it? I drink from a lead pipe hence Iead dropping is ok. i saw Mark pitchers make the same argument: because a lot of people in the UK drink from lead pipes, I can drop leads in a Belgian lake.
In reply to Post #31
I'm not talking about deliberately dropping the lead. It's not what I normally do.
If I lose a lead it's more than likely means I've lost a complete rig.
What I'm talking about is the size to weight ratio of lead versus non lead substitutes
For this reason I will continue to use lead as I believe the pollution I cause is negligible.
I use the lead pipe reference as justification for this.
For people who insist losing the lead all the time then they should consider using alternatives but I suspect they won't because of the size to weight ratio.
I'm not talking about deliberately dropping the lead. It's not what I normally do.
If I lose a lead it's more than likely means I've lost a complete rig.
What I'm talking about is the size to weight ratio of lead versus non lead substitutes
For this reason I will continue to use lead as I believe the pollution I cause is negligible.
I use the lead pipe reference as justification for this.
For people who insist losing the lead all the time then they should consider using alternatives but I suspect they won't because of the size to weight ratio.
In reply to Post #30
another metal isn't bad but it's a comfort thing if you're dropping weights.
when I listed the pro's & cons for using lead as a weight & compared them, the only pro's for leads were that they were cheap & heavy whilst the cons were that lead is poisonous at every level of exposure. as mentioned there was a paper this year where the scientists specifically looked at the effects of lead on carp & as expected, it's really bad for them. negligible still isn't no risk at all.
people say 'it takes years for the coating to break down' - great - and then what? it's poisonous to everything again. 'we have lead pipes' is another excuse I see but I am 99% sure that every person that has lead pipes would prefer not to have them & would have them replaced ASAP if they could FOC - it's banned in new builds too. lead in paint at a school - parents won't send thier kids there so it's banned. lead in petrol - banned & an alternative was used.
I honestly think that as soon as environmentalists realise what carp anglers are doing dropping leads, they will be banned very quickly - deep down I think everyone knows that & knows why.
I think the main clincher for me was realising that, like the examples above, there are alternatives & it isn't actually necessary unless fishing at long range so I just decided that I don't have to fish at range. I had thought about it for ages & when it came to making the switch it was very simple & easy to do & I don't feel my catch rates have changed in the slightest
another metal isn't bad but it's a comfort thing if you're dropping weights.
when I listed the pro's & cons for using lead as a weight & compared them, the only pro's for leads were that they were cheap & heavy whilst the cons were that lead is poisonous at every level of exposure. as mentioned there was a paper this year where the scientists specifically looked at the effects of lead on carp & as expected, it's really bad for them. negligible still isn't no risk at all.
people say 'it takes years for the coating to break down' - great - and then what? it's poisonous to everything again. 'we have lead pipes' is another excuse I see but I am 99% sure that every person that has lead pipes would prefer not to have them & would have them replaced ASAP if they could FOC - it's banned in new builds too. lead in paint at a school - parents won't send thier kids there so it's banned. lead in petrol - banned & an alternative was used.
I honestly think that as soon as environmentalists realise what carp anglers are doing dropping leads, they will be banned very quickly - deep down I think everyone knows that & knows why.
I think the main clincher for me was realising that, like the examples above, there are alternatives & it isn't actually necessary unless fishing at long range so I just decided that I don't have to fish at range. I had thought about it for ages & when it came to making the switch it was very simple & easy to do & I don't feel my catch rates have changed in the slightest
In reply to Post #33
It's interesting that you say at long range it's ok to introduce a negligible risk.
But if you can fish successfully at short range without the need for lead then that's a
If others want to drop the lead then I urge them to seek alternatives.
I'm happy with not dropping the lead and the negligible consequences that go with it
It's interesting that you say at long range it's ok to introduce a negligible risk.
But if you can fish successfully at short range without the need for lead then that's a
If others want to drop the lead then I urge them to seek alternatives.
I'm happy with not dropping the lead and the negligible consequences that go with it
In reply to Post #34
It's interesting that you say at long range it's ok to introduce a negligible risk.
But if you can fish successfully at short range without the need for lead then that's a
that's not what I meant & apologies if it came across like that.
what I was trying to say was that when I considered my fishing, the only time I would see using a lead as necessary over an alternative, was if I wanted to cast further out.
in switching over I accept that I can't cast as far anymore, so adapted my fishing to allow for that - I will either use a boat or find a spot closer in & doing this didn't affect my catch rates.
it's the same as decisions about using bait boats, drones, the twig, longshank / bent hooks - all down to the angler & what they feel is right. my feeling is that whilst lead won't make immediate, obvious harm that a bent hook might - in the long run it is potentially just as bad.
It's interesting that you say at long range it's ok to introduce a negligible risk.
But if you can fish successfully at short range without the need for lead then that's a
that's not what I meant & apologies if it came across like that.
what I was trying to say was that when I considered my fishing, the only time I would see using a lead as necessary over an alternative, was if I wanted to cast further out.
in switching over I accept that I can't cast as far anymore, so adapted my fishing to allow for that - I will either use a boat or find a spot closer in & doing this didn't affect my catch rates.
it's the same as decisions about using bait boats, drones, the twig, longshank / bent hooks - all down to the angler & what they feel is right. my feeling is that whilst lead won't make immediate, obvious harm that a bent hook might - in the long run it is potentially just as bad.
In reply to Post #34
I fish a water where you intentionally HAVE to drop any lead over 1.5oz . . .where the specific weight comes from I've no idea (eg not sure how a much more 'snaggable' a 2oz inline is over a 1.5oz) however dems da rules . . . lake is not massive and I'm sure most dropped leads are frequently collected with a magnet and are on sale somewhere on ebay . . .
I fish a water where you intentionally HAVE to drop any lead over 1.5oz . . .where the specific weight comes from I've no idea (eg not sure how a much more 'snaggable' a 2oz inline is over a 1.5oz) however dems da rules . . . lake is not massive and I'm sure most dropped leads are frequently collected with a magnet and are on sale somewhere on ebay . . .
In reply to Post #33
people say 'it takes years for the coating to break down'
I heard Danny F doing a talk at a show once and someone asked about the lead/water/toxic issue. He said the leads are painted/coated with the same 'stuff' that oil rig legs get.
This was many years ago.
Not trying to be anti, but I don't really see how that helps...
I have plenty of leads where the plasticky coating is peeling off due to casting and hitting gravel/stones. So lead is exposed, even if it's not 100% of the surface area.
Secondly, the inline leads I have seen and used in the past aren't coated in their centre where the plastic tube pushes in.
So to me, the 'coated lead' argument doesn't hold water.
I am not going to lose sleep worrying about leads weights as I am too tight to drop them
However, this weekend I will pick a few stones up off the beach and give them a go in my bench vice/pillar drill.
The caption on that video said SANDSTONE and so I think the stone's he was using weren't quite up to FLINT hardness (unfortunately I think down here in West Sussex our beaches are mainly flint...we'll see)
people say 'it takes years for the coating to break down'
I heard Danny F doing a talk at a show once and someone asked about the lead/water/toxic issue. He said the leads are painted/coated with the same 'stuff' that oil rig legs get.
This was many years ago.
Not trying to be anti, but I don't really see how that helps...
I have plenty of leads where the plasticky coating is peeling off due to casting and hitting gravel/stones. So lead is exposed, even if it's not 100% of the surface area.
Secondly, the inline leads I have seen and used in the past aren't coated in their centre where the plastic tube pushes in.
So to me, the 'coated lead' argument doesn't hold water.
I am not going to lose sleep worrying about leads weights as I am too tight to drop them
However, this weekend I will pick a few stones up off the beach and give them a go in my bench vice/pillar drill.
The caption on that video said SANDSTONE and so I think the stone's he was using weren't quite up to FLINT hardness (unfortunately I think down here in West Sussex our beaches are mainly flint...we'll see)
In reply to Post #37
I am not going to lose sleep worrying about leads weights as I am too tight to drop them
That's the point I was trying to make.
I didn't see the mention of sandstone. That makes sense now and is why he can use ordinary masonry bits. I wish you luck if you are trying to drill a piece of flint.
This is an old article but it's about using inline leads in weed rather than dropping them
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I am not going to lose sleep worrying about leads weights as I am too tight to drop them
That's the point I was trying to make.
I didn't see the mention of sandstone. That makes sense now and is why he can use ordinary masonry bits. I wish you luck if you are trying to drill a piece of flint.
This is an old article but it's about using inline leads in weed rather than dropping them
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