Somebody will watch that and come up with an idea of combining that db hook and the twig rig and think it's going to be a good idea
In reply to Post #30
Oh we'd undoubtedly catch tons more and it would become very boring very quickly. Oh their poor mouths would be destroyed in no time at all.
Oh we'd undoubtedly catch tons more and it would become very boring very quickly. Oh their poor mouths would be destroyed in no time at all.
In reply to Post #32
Yes they would get completely destroyed plus as already mentioned any lost fish would have very little chance of getting rid of the hook. With the likelihood of a terrible outcome
I once saw a 20lb carp accidentally caught on a pike anglers deadbait rig with two trebles the mouth was a complete mess an unfortunate occurrence, i personally dont think mark should have mentioned the hook as it will put ideas into others heads.
Yes they would get completely destroyed plus as already mentioned any lost fish would have very little chance of getting rid of the hook. With the likelihood of a terrible outcome
I once saw a 20lb carp accidentally caught on a pike anglers deadbait rig with two trebles the mouth was a complete mess an unfortunate occurrence, i personally dont think mark should have mentioned the hook as it will put ideas into others heads.
In reply to Post #33
I can't wait to see the OMC version of the double hook, no doubt they will give it some funky urban grime name too
I can't wait to see the OMC version of the double hook, no doubt they will give it some funky urban grime name too
In reply to Post #34
lol, but seriously it doesn't bear thinking thinking about what lengths they are capable of going to
lol, but seriously it doesn't bear thinking thinking about what lengths they are capable of going to
Playing devils advocate, wouldn't having two hooks side by side gain a better hold, thus avoiding ripping? If two hooks are embedded, neither are likely to tear as it also requires the second hook to lose its grip? Have seen some evidence previously of how a thicker gauge Size 1+ hook which both enters and exits the lip is least likely to tear due to have more stature than a size 10 which is just nestled in the flesh.
I'm a big believer that the bigger the hook, the lesser the damage.
I'm a big believer that the bigger the hook, the lesser the damage.
In reply to Post #36
The trouble with any rig with two hook points is if you have a crack off or get cut off or snagged. At the very least you would have a badly damaged mouth. At the worst you could have a carp with its lips sealed. The whole point of this thread was a so called named angler has at least once used what we called in the past a death rig.
The trouble with any rig with two hook points is if you have a crack off or get cut off or snagged. At the very least you would have a badly damaged mouth. At the worst you could have a carp with its lips sealed. The whole point of this thread was a so called named angler has at least once used what we called in the past a death rig.
And some of you lot wonder why you end up with stupid contraptions like the Twig? The idiot is a disgrace to carp fishing, always has been, always will be. No wonder all those horrible back garden pond fish all have ripped to kingdom come mouths.
Double and treble hooks, are for hard boney mouthed predators. Fish that attack other fish. They are designed by mother nature to strike at other fish. They have hard very boney mouths for this purpose. It's ethical to use doubles and trebles on them as it's so hard to get a point to penetrate. The VB hooks in question being spoken about here are salmon hooks. Predator hooks.
Carp have very soft, fleshy mouths. Like roach, like Rudd, like Tench. Since the beginning of angling as we all know it.... You do not use hooks meant for predators on these fish.
We are not savages. We do not eat them. There is a degree of sporting ethics in what we do. Double hooks and treble hooks should NEVER be used on carp. Full ****ing stop, no excuses. You can mount a live bait on a single hook very easily.
This is why you will never see people like him on any proper lakes. Going on soppy podcasts and chatting about stuff like this is just insane. Has he completely lost his marbles? Or just trying to remain relevant for some free kit.
The late Paul Forward (proper angler) was so right in everything he said about this bloke and his type in his CW articles.
Well done OP for highlighting this. You are 100% correct.
Double and treble hooks, are for hard boney mouthed predators. Fish that attack other fish. They are designed by mother nature to strike at other fish. They have hard very boney mouths for this purpose. It's ethical to use doubles and trebles on them as it's so hard to get a point to penetrate. The VB hooks in question being spoken about here are salmon hooks. Predator hooks.
Carp have very soft, fleshy mouths. Like roach, like Rudd, like Tench. Since the beginning of angling as we all know it.... You do not use hooks meant for predators on these fish.
We are not savages. We do not eat them. There is a degree of sporting ethics in what we do. Double hooks and treble hooks should NEVER be used on carp. Full ****ing stop, no excuses. You can mount a live bait on a single hook very easily.
This is why you will never see people like him on any proper lakes. Going on soppy podcasts and chatting about stuff like this is just insane. Has he completely lost his marbles? Or just trying to remain relevant for some free kit.
The late Paul Forward (proper angler) was so right in everything he said about this bloke and his type in his CW articles.
Well done OP for highlighting this. You are 100% correct.
In reply to Post #38
welcome back mark 👍🏻
welcome back mark 👍🏻
In reply to Post #39
Thanks Andy.
Just to put some context on my previous comments. Look at the photographs below from the Shimano Isolate bait page. That went bust rapid, despite having the biggest budget in carp fishing behind it. Where are his 'cured' hook baits now? Where is anything whatsoever baitwise from him?
Carp fishing has suffered as much as everything else with the culture of celebrity. It came with the internet. Shouty people put themselves forward, media bigs them up and carp fishing proclaims them as stars. It's like a snapshot of this forum. There are some great anglers on this forum who remain completely silent in the shadows. They do that, whilst the shouty ones do all their shouting, with zero whatsoever to back it up. That's the internet for you.
You end up with The Twig, or Isolate bait. Absolute crap. From completely clueless celebrities in reality. Who's to blame? This man has, lets call it 'led astray' UK bait companies, Japanese owned bait companies and novice carp anglers at shows for years. Speak to any bait company he has been at. All absolute fluff and bluster. Celebrity culture with zero to back it up. Those two articles I wrote on the RMC forum about salt cured boillies and fermented garlic hemp that were reproduced in CW by him, served him very well for a while. The thing is, curing is a name given to what I do with the hook baits by me. There is no name for it. It's something that I came up with, a process. So I had to name it. Shiesters like him have tried to do what they do off the back of that. They have zero clue what I'm even talking about, only what I've told them publicly. Nothing.
The post itself, you do realise that's him chatting about himself in the third person, right? The fish, it's mouth is absolutely butchered beyond belief. The sort of thing you expect to see on a day ticket 10lb fish. Not a big UK carp. VB double hooks?
Thanks Andy.
Just to put some context on my previous comments. Look at the photographs below from the Shimano Isolate bait page. That went bust rapid, despite having the biggest budget in carp fishing behind it. Where are his 'cured' hook baits now? Where is anything whatsoever baitwise from him?
Carp fishing has suffered as much as everything else with the culture of celebrity. It came with the internet. Shouty people put themselves forward, media bigs them up and carp fishing proclaims them as stars. It's like a snapshot of this forum. There are some great anglers on this forum who remain completely silent in the shadows. They do that, whilst the shouty ones do all their shouting, with zero whatsoever to back it up. That's the internet for you.
You end up with The Twig, or Isolate bait. Absolute crap. From completely clueless celebrities in reality. Who's to blame? This man has, lets call it 'led astray' UK bait companies, Japanese owned bait companies and novice carp anglers at shows for years. Speak to any bait company he has been at. All absolute fluff and bluster. Celebrity culture with zero to back it up. Those two articles I wrote on the RMC forum about salt cured boillies and fermented garlic hemp that were reproduced in CW by him, served him very well for a while. The thing is, curing is a name given to what I do with the hook baits by me. There is no name for it. It's something that I came up with, a process. So I had to name it. Shiesters like him have tried to do what they do off the back of that. They have zero clue what I'm even talking about, only what I've told them publicly. Nothing.
The post itself, you do realise that's him chatting about himself in the third person, right? The fish, it's mouth is absolutely butchered beyond belief. The sort of thing you expect to see on a day ticket 10lb fish. Not a big UK carp. VB double hooks?
In reply to Post #40
I've not got the best eyesight and I'm not **** stirring intentionally but what is wrong with this picture, I can't see mouth damage ?
I've not got the best eyesight and I'm not **** stirring intentionally but what is wrong with this picture, I can't see mouth damage ?
In reply to Post #38
I'll second that. Not to sure about Mark the person In what you say. As I don't no the Man.. but there's definitely no need for double hooks in carp fishing for any reason. 
I'll second that. Not to sure about Mark the person In what you say. As I don't no the Man.. but there's definitely no need for double hooks in carp fishing for any reason.
In reply to Post #41
The distended bottom jaw is from having no scissors left. It's quite common on fish that are hooked far to many times. You very rarely see it on big carp who's mouths are totally formed. You normally see it on fish that are angled for as babies, when their mouths are far softer and susceptible to damage. The scar damage on the outside of the bottom lip shows it too. All carps mouths big or small are nailed on to get butchered using double salmon hooks on 50lb fish.
Forget that, that's just clutter anyway. This was just one photo I could find doing a quick google search. I have seen him holding so many big carp with absolutely mullered mouths. Real carp anglers of a certain age and standing know exactly what type of fish he angles for.
Double hooks have zero place in carp fishing. None. Not for any reason whatsoever. Apart from real desperate anglers.
The post is more about celebrity. And all the absolute bullcrap that comes with it. There are fellas on this thread proclaiming him some knowledgable chap.. I'm sure he's a very good angler. But he is also a complete shiester.
Carp fishing is littered with these blokes. Absolute Joey's in reality in real fishing terms. You will never see any of them ever fishing anywhere proper, because they can't. Never bumped into Mark or Ali anywhere i fish. Never would. Yet they are on the internet, YouTube, mags before that, screaming to novice anglers. They actually start to believe the crap spoken about them by their novice fanbase, and it gets worse and worse.
The question you have to ask yourselves is, are you the 'target' of this type of thing? Or are you an angler who see's through it all. Because these blokes are put forward to target a certain grade of novice angler. The type who spend lots of money, and will swallow their absolute waffle. Always been this way. Celebrity anglers put forward to make you spend your money. Most of them are absolute nods in reality.
It's led to carp fishing pretty much going backwards, not advancing.
The distended bottom jaw is from having no scissors left. It's quite common on fish that are hooked far to many times. You very rarely see it on big carp who's mouths are totally formed. You normally see it on fish that are angled for as babies, when their mouths are far softer and susceptible to damage. The scar damage on the outside of the bottom lip shows it too. All carps mouths big or small are nailed on to get butchered using double salmon hooks on 50lb fish.
Forget that, that's just clutter anyway. This was just one photo I could find doing a quick google search. I have seen him holding so many big carp with absolutely mullered mouths. Real carp anglers of a certain age and standing know exactly what type of fish he angles for.
Double hooks have zero place in carp fishing. None. Not for any reason whatsoever. Apart from real desperate anglers.
The post is more about celebrity. And all the absolute bullcrap that comes with it. There are fellas on this thread proclaiming him some knowledgable chap.. I'm sure he's a very good angler. But he is also a complete shiester.
Carp fishing is littered with these blokes. Absolute Joey's in reality in real fishing terms. You will never see any of them ever fishing anywhere proper, because they can't. Never bumped into Mark or Ali anywhere i fish. Never would. Yet they are on the internet, YouTube, mags before that, screaming to novice anglers. They actually start to believe the crap spoken about them by their novice fanbase, and it gets worse and worse.
The question you have to ask yourselves is, are you the 'target' of this type of thing? Or are you an angler who see's through it all. Because these blokes are put forward to target a certain grade of novice angler. The type who spend lots of money, and will swallow their absolute waffle. Always been this way. Celebrity anglers put forward to make you spend your money. Most of them are absolute nods in reality.
It's led to carp fishing pretty much going backwards, not advancing.
I'll wait for one angler, to tell me just ONE bait that he has anything to do with, that has done anything at all whatsoever? Just one. In over twenty years?
I already have the answer.
How many blokes have paid to go see him at carp shows and bait talks? Many thousands. Absolutely any of you could have done the exact same thing. You just need to be a self promoter and an attention seeker. Carp fishing will embrace you. There are many bait companies and tackle firms desperate for some sort of exposure. It's like a vicious circle.
It's built on sand. You end up with the Twig, and Isolate bait.
I already have the answer.
How many blokes have paid to go see him at carp shows and bait talks? Many thousands. Absolutely any of you could have done the exact same thing. You just need to be a self promoter and an attention seeker. Carp fishing will embrace you. There are many bait companies and tackle firms desperate for some sort of exposure. It's like a vicious circle.
It's built on sand. You end up with the Twig, and Isolate bait.
That's right. Nothing. Whatsoever. In an hour not one of you has named one bait.
So the celebrity bait man, who 1000's upon 1000's have paid to go see and talk about bait at shows. He has not even one half decent bait to his name? Now he is telling novices to use blast frozen white bait on double Salmon hooks. The carp bait man? PMSL.
Yet he is so knowledgable according to many? Why? Because the magazines who relied on people like him to make you buy the magazine in the first place, told you so? Wake up.
If you lined up at shows to let these blokes sign things for you, then you were helping to create the problem that has led carp fishing down the path to where it is now in 2024. It's very simple.
So the celebrity bait man, who 1000's upon 1000's have paid to go see and talk about bait at shows. He has not even one half decent bait to his name? Now he is telling novices to use blast frozen white bait on double Salmon hooks. The carp bait man? PMSL.
Yet he is so knowledgable according to many? Why? Because the magazines who relied on people like him to make you buy the magazine in the first place, told you so? Wake up.
If you lined up at shows to let these blokes sign things for you, then you were helping to create the problem that has led carp fishing down the path to where it is now in 2024. It's very simple.