Years ago i used to drop plenty of fish on my drennan super specialist in 6 and 4.
Over sharp certainly wasn't the problem...
A straight pointed hook with a straight shank did little to aid the hook point to penetrate because the angle of pull wasn't in line with the hook point.
During the fight the hook would flex slightly and open a fraction and allow the fish to drop off.
I landed a few fish that had little tear/cuts around where the hook had finally penetrated.
This indicates the hook was skidding along before finally getting a grip and penetrating, or the fish being dropped.
I sorted this by putting a slow bend into the shank, basically modifying the hook into a curved shank, with the point much more inline with the eye.
I now only use a curved shank or beaked point hook. I do hand sharpen when needed and rarely drop a fish.
I have to wonder if the people who are dropping fish on hand sharpened hooks are using straight points with straight shanks...
Over sharp certainly wasn't the problem...
A straight pointed hook with a straight shank did little to aid the hook point to penetrate because the angle of pull wasn't in line with the hook point.
During the fight the hook would flex slightly and open a fraction and allow the fish to drop off.
I landed a few fish that had little tear/cuts around where the hook had finally penetrated.
This indicates the hook was skidding along before finally getting a grip and penetrating, or the fish being dropped.
I sorted this by putting a slow bend into the shank, basically modifying the hook into a curved shank, with the point much more inline with the eye.
I now only use a curved shank or beaked point hook. I do hand sharpen when needed and rarely drop a fish.
I have to wonder if the people who are dropping fish on hand sharpened hooks are using straight points with straight shanks...
In reply to Post #31
Conversely I fish almost exclusively with straight point, straight shank hooks and rarely suffer from 'hook pulls'.
Conversely I fish almost exclusively with straight point, straight shank hooks and rarely suffer from 'hook pulls'.
In reply to Post #32
Are you using a hook kicker, shrink or sbf type to create a curved? If so, then that will sort it.
Are you using a hook kicker, shrink or sbf type to create a curved? If so, then that will sort it.
In reply to Post #31
It was using Jason Haywood Curve hooks, on a sort of Slip D type rig and wafters ( Mike Holly rig on the ESP channel )
Prior to that was using bank tackle wide gape hooks and just don't remember losing as many.
But like I said it's a hard low ish stock lake so a bit hard to quantify losses as your not catching many fish and not like I was writing down the losses / hook pulls etc
It was using Jason Haywood Curve hooks, on a sort of Slip D type rig and wafters ( Mike Holly rig on the ESP channel )
Prior to that was using bank tackle wide gape hooks and just don't remember losing as many.
But like I said it's a hard low ish stock lake so a bit hard to quantify losses as your not catching many fish and not like I was writing down the losses / hook pulls etc
In reply to Post #30
"the way carp feed will have a massive impact"
I agree & also think that tight spreads of bait in close proximity to the hookbait will increase the chances of getting a bad hold.
"the way carp feed will have a massive impact"
I agree & also think that tight spreads of bait in close proximity to the hookbait will increase the chances of getting a bad hold.
In reply to Post #35
Would have likely been using a bait boat for these so 1 small dump of bait
Would have likely been using a bait boat for these so 1 small dump of bait
In reply to Post #35
I just think the hook imbeds itself in different positions when there is no need to move off the spot on tightly baited areas. I see the same on runs waters when using a large amount of mixers in a tight area. No different in my eyes, and probably why we get done on the top so often. I believe that fish are certainly easier to catch on a single bit of crust than a mixer purely because it moves away and tightens up to the controller. No different whatsoever to why so many are caught on singles and chods over a large spread.
A static fish that does not move away from the baited area will be harder to catch. We hear it so often, especially stories where they have seen the biggun they want to catch so much, just flare its gills and blow the hookbait straight out without moving.
These korda vids show them getting done time and time again. It's not because the rig is awful, it's simply because there is a manufactured baiting situation in place.
I just think the hook imbeds itself in different positions when there is no need to move off the spot on tightly baited areas. I see the same on runs waters when using a large amount of mixers in a tight area. No different in my eyes, and probably why we get done on the top so often. I believe that fish are certainly easier to catch on a single bit of crust than a mixer purely because it moves away and tightens up to the controller. No different whatsoever to why so many are caught on singles and chods over a large spread.
A static fish that does not move away from the baited area will be harder to catch. We hear it so often, especially stories where they have seen the biggun they want to catch so much, just flare its gills and blow the hookbait straight out without moving.
These korda vids show them getting done time and time again. It's not because the rig is awful, it's simply because there is a manufactured baiting situation in place.
In reply to Post #33
No Dave, my rigs are a simple knotless knot mono rig tied out of either 12lb Amnesia or 15lb mono.
No Dave, my rigs are a simple knotless knot mono rig tied out of either 12lb Amnesia or 15lb mono.