In reply to Post #30
Or designed to catch the angler Joss.....
Or designed to catch the angler Joss.....
In reply to Post #27
Maybe read it one more time and clarify what you are saying?
Maybe read it one more time and clarify what you are saying?
In reply to Post #32
Perhaps the strength of the actual taste of the bait, as opposed to the smell, is more important.......
Perhaps the strength of the actual taste of the bait, as opposed to the smell, is more important.......
In reply to Post #33
Taste is everything.
Get them receptors twitching, and if they enjoy the taste, with minimal effort eating it, more greed, win win.
Discussion is good, makes you think.
It is enjoying, or finding what works best for you, on your water, that matters TBH.
We have all seen anglers catch on things that shouldn't.
from eye watering strong smell & taste, or barely detectable.
Taste is everything.
Get them receptors twitching, and if they enjoy the taste, with minimal effort eating it, more greed, win win.
Discussion is good, makes you think.
It is enjoying, or finding what works best for you, on your water, that matters TBH.
We have all seen anglers catch on things that shouldn't.
from eye watering strong smell & taste, or barely detectable.
It's interesting thinking, look at what FW did with his over flavoured hookbaits, so much for the theory on repellents!
Saying that I have never been a fan of the pub chuck and pineapple wanger myself but without doubt it works. Mt fishing has always been based around a quality food source as a whole on the basis of giving them something they like to eat but it has not been the best tactic over the years on some waters though
I think the biggest element is the fish, if everybody is fishing food baits then an attention picker comes along and vice versa. Carp who have not seen much bait I have found relatively easy to catch, start with angling pressure and naturals it's a different ball game for me altogether
Saying that I have never been a fan of the pub chuck and pineapple wanger myself but without doubt it works. Mt fishing has always been based around a quality food source as a whole on the basis of giving them something they like to eat but it has not been the best tactic over the years on some waters though
I think the biggest element is the fish, if everybody is fishing food baits then an attention picker comes along and vice versa. Carp who have not seen much bait I have found relatively easy to catch, start with angling pressure and naturals it's a different ball game for me altogether
In reply to Post #1
The problem is when this statement was first coined back in the day flavours were low quality, sweeteners etc weren't great either, this is why bait making is a minefield, what we think smells great might not catch much, but something that we think doesn't have much smell to it could still be a winner it's all trial and error really
The problem is when this statement was first coined back in the day flavours were low quality, sweeteners etc weren't great either, this is why bait making is a minefield, what we think smells great might not catch much, but something that we think doesn't have much smell to it could still be a winner it's all trial and error really
In reply to Post #32
Frothey put the correct figure in. I said it was an 'overload' although I couldn't remember how much, which is why I put the statement in brackets about how overloaded, even saying that I wasn't sure how overloaded the level was.
He also went on to clarify about flavours being sold on, cut and still sold as original.
I don't need to clarify, someone else took the trouble to correct my ambiguity or mis-memory.
Frothey put the correct figure in. I said it was an 'overload' although I couldn't remember how much, which is why I put the statement in brackets about how overloaded, even saying that I wasn't sure how overloaded the level was.
He also went on to clarify about flavours being sold on, cut and still sold as original.
I don't need to clarify, someone else took the trouble to correct my ambiguity or mis-memory.
In reply to Post #36
Arguably flavours were better/more effective back then. Sweetners weren't great?
Just think of all the flavours/attractors that came from back then that people are still trying to replicate......
Arguably flavours were better/more effective back then. Sweetners weren't great?
Just think of all the flavours/attractors that came from back then that people are still trying to replicate......
In reply to Post #29
My opinion is you're half right.
I do really think you can get a bad bait - one that a fish will never eat. I also think there are baits that will only be eaten well after introduction or only in desperation.
The issue with flavours is they are the 1% that we all believe make the difference but a decent bait probably has 20 other fish attracting properties so what was meant to enhance / optimise can be counterproductive.
I only really trust myself now with natural attractors so that I know my heavy handedness won't render my bait totally useless!
My opinion is you're half right.
I do really think you can get a bad bait - one that a fish will never eat. I also think there are baits that will only be eaten well after introduction or only in desperation.
The issue with flavours is they are the 1% that we all believe make the difference but a decent bait probably has 20 other fish attracting properties so what was meant to enhance / optimise can be counterproductive.
I only really trust myself now with natural attractors so that I know my heavy handedness won't render my bait totally useless!
Realistically how can a human never mind a fish tell what's in "food" or how "food" taste likes before eating it?
If you eat a burger you wouldn't know what's in it just that it tastes good or not.
If a burger tasted bad would you know what the next burger that looked the same would taste any different?
Let's be fair carp will eat anything infront of them if they are hungry???
If you eat a burger you wouldn't know what's in it just that it tastes good or not.
If a burger tasted bad would you know what the next burger that looked the same would taste any different?
Let's be fair carp will eat anything infront of them if they are hungry???
In reply to Post #40
A carp can "taste" the food before it eats it.
It's tasting the surrounding water and detecting the food signals. No, not just "smell" but actually tasting the bait before it even picks it up.
Yes... we know about chemoreception and olfactory sensing.
But the above is a simplified explanation.
“At the back of the nostril there is a sensory surface called the olfactory epithelium, as water passes over this surface it allows the carp to sense any substance dissolved into that water and determine whether or not it is a good food source"
A carp can "taste" the food before it eats it.
It's tasting the surrounding water and detecting the food signals. No, not just "smell" but actually tasting the bait before it even picks it up.
Yes... we know about chemoreception and olfactory sensing.
But the above is a simplified explanation.
“At the back of the nostril there is a sensory surface called the olfactory epithelium, as water passes over this surface it allows the carp to sense any substance dissolved into that water and determine whether or not it is a good food source"
In reply to Post #31
Yeap...like most things in life, marketing sells afterall mate
Yeap...like most things in life, marketing sells afterall mate
In reply to Post #40
yes, BUT, if said burger smelt horrible you wouldnt put it in your mouth to try it
yes, BUT, if said burger smelt horrible you wouldnt put it in your mouth to try it
In reply to Post #43
I dunno, Maccy's don't do too badly.
I dunno, Maccy's don't do too badly.
In reply to Post #44