In reply to Post #30
Probably one in China as well by now?
Probably one in China as well by now?
In reply to Post #27
Wasn't the Daiwa Infinity mono IGFA rated? Pretty sure it was. The 20lb bs was about 0.035 from memory.
Wasn't the Daiwa Infinity mono IGFA rated? Pretty sure it was. The 20lb bs was about 0.035 from memory.
In reply to Post #27
Your quote ... From working in Tackle shops I can pretty much guarantee That most anglers DON'T look at line diameter, they ask for a breaking strain, carp anglers especially so. It is pole anglers who might ask for a diameter.
I recall there was a thing about consumer standards or Line Charter regarding breaking strains of lines, with breaking strains being so overrated leading to a spate of prosecutions. So a 15lb line should be around 15lb, NOT 20lb. Also you are incorrect about IGFA as their line tests are actually tested close to a fishing situation.
I didn't mention most anglers , this is a carp forum for discussion of carp line I think you may be generalising this a tad .
So you're saying carp anglers especially don't look at diameter when buying a line ? You're out of touch I'm afraid with that , as you have said ratings are not a true comparison between different manufacturers, you're basically talking bull I'm afraid
Your quote ... From working in Tackle shops I can pretty much guarantee That most anglers DON'T look at line diameter, they ask for a breaking strain, carp anglers especially so. It is pole anglers who might ask for a diameter.
I recall there was a thing about consumer standards or Line Charter regarding breaking strains of lines, with breaking strains being so overrated leading to a spate of prosecutions. So a 15lb line should be around 15lb, NOT 20lb. Also you are incorrect about IGFA as their line tests are actually tested close to a fishing situation.
I didn't mention most anglers , this is a carp forum for discussion of carp line I think you may be generalising this a tad .
So you're saying carp anglers especially don't look at diameter when buying a line ? You're out of touch I'm afraid with that , as you have said ratings are not a true comparison between different manufacturers, you're basically talking bull I'm afraid
A question to all carp anglers .....
How many of you don't look at line diameter and only rely on the stated breaking strain when buying line ?
How many of you don't look at line diameter and only rely on the stated breaking strain when buying line ?
In reply to Post #34
Yep, never take notice of diameter
Yep, never take notice of diameter
In reply to Post #35
Quote... Yep, never take notice of diameter
That does surprise me Ian ,if your favourite line which is say GR60 in 15lb 0.40mm isn't available any more and you looked at an alternative say PB control , which is as follows...
18lb, 0.30mm, 1250m spool
24lb, 0.35mm, 1250m spool
28lb, 0.38mm, 1250m spool
If they did it 15lb what do you think the diameter would be ? What im saying is you should never go by the rating , you should always go by the diameter , especially when considering snags and distance
Quote... Yep, never take notice of diameter
That does surprise me Ian ,if your favourite line which is say GR60 in 15lb 0.40mm isn't available any more and you looked at an alternative say PB control , which is as follows...
18lb, 0.30mm, 1250m spool
24lb, 0.35mm, 1250m spool
28lb, 0.38mm, 1250m spool
If they did it 15lb what do you think the diameter would be ? What im saying is you should never go by the rating , you should always go by the diameter , especially when considering snags and distance
In reply to Post #36
Majority probably know what they use and just replace like for like unless they have had issues. Don't understand why some constantly change there line.
Majority probably know what they use and just replace like for like unless they have had issues. Don't understand why some constantly change there line.
In reply to Post #37
Lines have changed a lot of the years , long gone are the days where you can just pick up a spool of 15lb and it be like any older 15lb type , those that do choose based on rating alone should be made aware that they could be making a big mistake with their line choice as explained earlier with the pb control mono v Gardner line diameter
Lines have changed a lot of the years , long gone are the days where you can just pick up a spool of 15lb and it be like any older 15lb type , those that do choose based on rating alone should be made aware that they could be making a big mistake with their line choice as explained earlier with the pb control mono v Gardner line diameter
In reply to Post #38
True but I would assume the vast majority would look at reviews as well as the b/s and diameter and probably talk to other carp anglers either on the bank or in the local shop or forums. There are more choices of mono now but but some lines from 20+ years ago would still give them a good challenge, Technium black, Catana if still available, gr60, personally I still use maxima chameleon in 4,6 and 8lb for barbel and chub fishing and I've tried many of the modern alternatives but don't find them better.
True but I would assume the vast majority would look at reviews as well as the b/s and diameter and probably talk to other carp anglers either on the bank or in the local shop or forums. There are more choices of mono now but but some lines from 20+ years ago would still give them a good challenge, Technium black, Catana if still available, gr60, personally I still use maxima chameleon in 4,6 and 8lb for barbel and chub fishing and I've tried many of the modern alternatives but don't find them better.
In reply to Post #34
Diameter only for me. I take no notice of the bs because it is nothing but bs
Diameter only for me. I take no notice of the bs because it is nothing but bs
In reply to Post #40
didnt Berkley change Big Game for example to the IGFA rating and people then complained it wasnt as durable as before.
so they went back to "breaking strain rating"
didnt Berkley change Big Game for example to the IGFA rating and people then complained it wasnt as durable as before.
so they went back to "breaking strain rating"
In reply to Post #36
Tbh the gr is what I've used for many years now, and as it's becoming harder to source now I've got a couple of new spools stashed away so I've not really needed to look for anything else. I did give the cm90 a go and just went for the 15 rather than checking the diameter ,and as to me the first thing I want is abrasion resistance and I found it lacking in that area I ditched it and got the gr back on. When I've run out of the I've already decided to go to asso lines and know that they are superb for abrasion resistance in the higher strains I use for catting so there's no reason the lower strains won't be the same. Diameter doesn't really come into it for me as I'm not a big caster these days anyway.
Tbh the gr is what I've used for many years now, and as it's becoming harder to source now I've got a couple of new spools stashed away so I've not really needed to look for anything else. I did give the cm90 a go and just went for the 15 rather than checking the diameter ,and as to me the first thing I want is abrasion resistance and I found it lacking in that area I ditched it and got the gr back on. When I've run out of the I've already decided to go to asso lines and know that they are superb for abrasion resistance in the higher strains I use for catting so there's no reason the lower strains won't be the same. Diameter doesn't really come into it for me as I'm not a big caster these days anyway.
In reply to Post #37
04:24In reply to Post #36
Majority probably know what they use and just replace like for like unless they have had issues. Don't understand why some constantly change there line.
Goose,
I think a lot of people change line because they find it is not as good as they expected it to be In their fishing situation.
Line twist, stretch or durability, abrasion resistance.
As you said in your following post, they read reviews, take advice or read other anglers opinions then change to one of the best rated, not considering how or exactly what they need.
A line that behaves on a Big Pit reel can be awful on a smaller baitrunner, or vice versa. How an angler loads the line onto the reel can change its behaviour in a fishing situation by creating line twist. Even brands recommend different ways to load your reel spool, some straight, some off the front, yet I reckon most of us (including me), always load our reels the same way
So you're saying carp anglers especially don't look at diameter when buying a line ? You're out of touch I'm afraid with that , as you have said ratings are not a true comparison between different manufacturers, you're basically talking bull I'm afraid
Fraid I'm not talking bull, although I enjoy reading yours 
Ip100 made my point, and he is not the only one. I also gave a quote by Henry Gilbey, an angling journalist and presenter. I pointed out I worked in a tackle shop, very few carp anglers chose a line on diameter, they asked for a breaking strain. I didn't try to muddy the waters, although I did point out that it was mostly pole anglers who specified a diameter. I kept to carp anglers other than that, so I wasn't generalising
at 11.22am In reply to Post #37
Lines have changed a lot of the years , long gone are the days where you can just pick up a spool of 15lb and it be like any older 15lb type ,
The exact point I made in Post 29, just picking up a spool of line you need to consider its pros and cons in your fishing, but very few anglers actually test the stretch, know the percentage of stretch the mono they are using, even what knot works best, not all are the same.
I bet most anglers can tie (example only) a grinner knot and use it for all of their fishing, hooklinks, Mainline to swivel, Mainline to leader. Yet again as an example only Sensor works best with a palmar knot.
Lines haven't changed that much in 30years, not all have improved, many brands are made in the same factory, just a different label.
Goose has backed my point up, lines from 20years ago would be and still are giving modern lines a run for their money.
Think of the carp market as a cake.
With 5 tackle brands your cake is cut into 5 decent sized pieces.
Now the carp market is probably 30 or more manufacturers, the cake is the same size, yet the pieces are smaller. There are so many more line brands available that weren't about 20years ago. They are all produced in the 6 Line factories in the world.
@ip100
I have used some Asso lines, bought some in this country last year, when I went to get the same this year it is no longer available in the UK.
I have had the same problem in the past with P-line.
I do think, not positive though that they both make line for other brands as some of the initials in the name like CX-Pro match other brands.
(Edited for typo)
04:24In reply to Post #36
Majority probably know what they use and just replace like for like unless they have had issues. Don't understand why some constantly change there line.
Goose,
I think a lot of people change line because they find it is not as good as they expected it to be In their fishing situation.
Line twist, stretch or durability, abrasion resistance.
As you said in your following post, they read reviews, take advice or read other anglers opinions then change to one of the best rated, not considering how or exactly what they need.
A line that behaves on a Big Pit reel can be awful on a smaller baitrunner, or vice versa. How an angler loads the line onto the reel can change its behaviour in a fishing situation by creating line twist. Even brands recommend different ways to load your reel spool, some straight, some off the front, yet I reckon most of us (including me), always load our reels the same way
So you're saying carp anglers especially don't look at diameter when buying a line ? You're out of touch I'm afraid with that , as you have said ratings are not a true comparison between different manufacturers, you're basically talking bull I'm afraid
Fraid I'm not talking bull, although I enjoy reading yours
Ip100 made my point, and he is not the only one. I also gave a quote by Henry Gilbey, an angling journalist and presenter. I pointed out I worked in a tackle shop, very few carp anglers chose a line on diameter, they asked for a breaking strain. I didn't try to muddy the waters, although I did point out that it was mostly pole anglers who specified a diameter. I kept to carp anglers other than that, so I wasn't generalising
at 11.22am In reply to Post #37
Lines have changed a lot of the years , long gone are the days where you can just pick up a spool of 15lb and it be like any older 15lb type ,
The exact point I made in Post 29, just picking up a spool of line you need to consider its pros and cons in your fishing, but very few anglers actually test the stretch, know the percentage of stretch the mono they are using, even what knot works best, not all are the same.
I bet most anglers can tie (example only) a grinner knot and use it for all of their fishing, hooklinks, Mainline to swivel, Mainline to leader. Yet again as an example only Sensor works best with a palmar knot.
Lines haven't changed that much in 30years, not all have improved, many brands are made in the same factory, just a different label.
Goose has backed my point up, lines from 20years ago would be and still are giving modern lines a run for their money.
Think of the carp market as a cake.
With 5 tackle brands your cake is cut into 5 decent sized pieces.
Now the carp market is probably 30 or more manufacturers, the cake is the same size, yet the pieces are smaller. There are so many more line brands available that weren't about 20years ago. They are all produced in the 6 Line factories in the world.
@ip100
I have used some Asso lines, bought some in this country last year, when I went to get the same this year it is no longer available in the UK.
I have had the same problem in the past with P-line.
I do think, not positive though that they both make line for other brands as some of the initials in the name like CX-Pro match other brands.
(Edited for typo)
In reply to Post #43
eBay nick, loads of asso on there
eBay nick, loads of asso on there
In reply to Post #44
Ive used Sakuma fluro alot, very impressed
Ive used Sakuma fluro alot, very impressed