In reply to Post #30
Is there a carp tax yes but when you think about this how many people get stuff for free. Companies have to recover that money so that drives up price a bit.
I've always wondered how much bait sponsored anglers get from companies and again that has to be recovered as businesses won't just write that money off.
Most of the stuff is imported from China so probably cost less then a third of what we pay in the end. In the end though if you can get it cheaper from somewhere else get that instead of the carp branded one
Is there a carp tax yes but when you think about this how many people get stuff for free. Companies have to recover that money so that drives up price a bit.
I've always wondered how much bait sponsored anglers get from companies and again that has to be recovered as businesses won't just write that money off.
Most of the stuff is imported from China so probably cost less then a third of what we pay in the end. In the end though if you can get it cheaper from somewhere else get that instead of the carp branded one
In reply to Post #31
hmmm....have to remember that the products are nearly always customised for that company and they don't produce the amount to get economies of scale like they would a normal camping chair version thats sold all over the world to multiple retailers. That's where the issue lies , BUT obviously you're paying a bit extra also for it to be a carp chair not a blue generic camping chair. I think the term carp tax is a bit over exaggerated.
caravan and camping industry UK = $9.68 billion roughly (generic blue chair)
recreational fishing industry UK =$ 1.4 billion roughly (carpy green branded same chair)
a lot more generic chairs will be mass produced vs the carp version. that's partly why prices are higher.
hmmm....have to remember that the products are nearly always customised for that company and they don't produce the amount to get economies of scale like they would a normal camping chair version thats sold all over the world to multiple retailers. That's where the issue lies , BUT obviously you're paying a bit extra also for it to be a carp chair not a blue generic camping chair. I think the term carp tax is a bit over exaggerated.
caravan and camping industry UK = $9.68 billion roughly (generic blue chair)
recreational fishing industry UK =$ 1.4 billion roughly (carpy green branded same chair)
a lot more generic chairs will be mass produced vs the carp version. that's partly why prices are higher.
In reply to Post #31
The big companies spend a fortune on NPD and the big one - marketing!
This is what a big chunk of your purchase price is paying for. All the free videos on YouTube must cost a fortune to produce.
Companies like NGT and Cyprinus come along and just copy what the bigger brands do, just buying in bulk from China and selling it off cheap. They have tiny overheads compared to the likes of Korda, fox, Nash etc, hence the cheaper prices.
The big companies spend a fortune on NPD and the big one - marketing!
This is what a big chunk of your purchase price is paying for. All the free videos on YouTube must cost a fortune to produce.
Companies like NGT and Cyprinus come along and just copy what the bigger brands do, just buying in bulk from China and selling it off cheap. They have tiny overheads compared to the likes of Korda, fox, Nash etc, hence the cheaper prices.
In reply to Post #32
I don't think the UK camping industry is worth almost a trillian dollars mate
I don't think the UK camping industry is worth almost a trillian dollars mate
In reply to Post #34
I think maybe he ment 9.68 billion. I'm pretty sure it's worth circa 10 billion to the UK economy on a yearly basis.
I think maybe he ment 9.68 billion. I'm pretty sure it's worth circa 10 billion to the UK economy on a yearly basis.
In reply to Post #20
I get that a slower growth would have been better for the angler. Then again ives always encouraged people as I'm passionate about maybe my own worst enemy.
I get that a slower growth would have been better for the angler. Then again ives always encouraged people as I'm passionate about maybe my own worst enemy.
In reply to Post #22
No is was Middleton for starters and they wanted to keep it a secret, besides the hair rig dates back before either of them. Maddock of cause wanted to profit from his effects hence he wrote a book. No rights or wrongs in it. Maybe inconveniences one way or another.
No is was Middleton for starters and they wanted to keep it a secret, besides the hair rig dates back before either of them. Maddock of cause wanted to profit from his effects hence he wrote a book. No rights or wrongs in it. Maybe inconveniences one way or another.
In reply to Post #35
Yes I've amended my bad lol
Yes I've amended my bad lol
Then look at trout fishing, almost £1000 a rod is not unusual now.
Then salmon, and when you have recovered from that look at shooting !
The carp tax starts to look pretty low
Then salmon, and when you have recovered from that look at shooting !
The carp tax starts to look pretty low
In reply to Post #39
Surely carp tax isn't the price of an item, its the extra cost added by the fishing tackle industry to an ordinary item not designed by the fishing industry when it becomes carpy?
Surely carp tax isn't the price of an item, its the extra cost added by the fishing tackle industry to an ordinary item not designed by the fishing industry when it becomes carpy?
In reply to Post #39
That's not a very good comparison. Not too many working class types are casting a fly on the Dee are there?
Similarly, run of the mill shotguns for instance can be picked up relatively cheap, if you're going down the route of an Accuracy International rifle, you're not ganna pick up a fully spec'd out Ax308 for a packet of chips simply down to the craftsmanship that goes into making such a rifle.
That's not a very good comparison. Not too many working class types are casting a fly on the Dee are there?
Similarly, run of the mill shotguns for instance can be picked up relatively cheap, if you're going down the route of an Accuracy International rifle, you're not ganna pick up a fully spec'd out Ax308 for a packet of chips simply down to the craftsmanship that goes into making such a rifle.
In reply to Post #41
No. But I do have a sage salt #12 and tibor Gulf Stream I can't afford the holiday to use
No. But I do have a sage salt #12 and tibor Gulf Stream I can't afford the holiday to use
Carp tax mainly annoys me when it's to do with an item that's not in their specialty. Powerpacks are a really good example of this. Specialized companies have been making these for years and they are significantly better quality than the carp branded ones, at a lower price point.
That being said I agree with what people have said on here about profits driving innovation. As a businessman I'm always skeptical when people talk about corporate greed, as I think there's a massive unappreciation for what those profits drive. Companies like Korda, Fox, Nash etc. have essentially created an established industry out of relative obscurity over the past 30 or so years. This industry now employs thousands of people, contributes to our economy and results in 'easier' adaption of 'good' angling for us all. All of that has happened because of the opportunity to make profit. I can see the other side of the argument that this has ruined fishing and that we were better in 'the good old days', nostalgia is a powerful thing.
That being said I agree with what people have said on here about profits driving innovation. As a businessman I'm always skeptical when people talk about corporate greed, as I think there's a massive unappreciation for what those profits drive. Companies like Korda, Fox, Nash etc. have essentially created an established industry out of relative obscurity over the past 30 or so years. This industry now employs thousands of people, contributes to our economy and results in 'easier' adaption of 'good' angling for us all. All of that has happened because of the opportunity to make profit. I can see the other side of the argument that this has ruined fishing and that we were better in 'the good old days', nostalgia is a powerful thing.
In reply to Post #43
No problems here with people making money. You're correct that companies like Korda employ lots of people and put food on their table... awesome. The problem I've got is the likes of Korda putting 8 swivels in a packet, other companies are following suit.
Now the swivel thing could we'll be down to keeping prices below an unacceptable price point, similar to crisp companies not filling the bag up like yesteryear, instead, after two small handfuls of crisps, they're gone. This is all linked to inflation and the cost of living with only the wealthy being able to live a lovely life at the expense of their employees buy paying them peanuts. The rise of heads wages of companies from the 70's have gone stratospheric, what's it, running 300%+ of the average earner?
No problems here with people making money. You're correct that companies like Korda employ lots of people and put food on their table... awesome. The problem I've got is the likes of Korda putting 8 swivels in a packet, other companies are following suit.
Now the swivel thing could we'll be down to keeping prices below an unacceptable price point, similar to crisp companies not filling the bag up like yesteryear, instead, after two small handfuls of crisps, they're gone. This is all linked to inflation and the cost of living with only the wealthy being able to live a lovely life at the expense of their employees buy paying them peanuts. The rise of heads wages of companies from the 70's have gone stratospheric, what's it, running 300%+ of the average earner?
In reply to Post #44
If you look everything is starting to cost more now food, cars, houses / house building , consumer goods, national insurance, I'm sure there will be more stealth taxes
The current demands for raw materials / labour / shipping have pushed up the costs - Korda etc can't take that hit - they have to pass it on.
There are interesting times coming for the economy I'm sure
I had small hands when I ate crisps (I was a kid) so packets lasted longer😀
If you look everything is starting to cost more now food, cars, houses / house building , consumer goods, national insurance, I'm sure there will be more stealth taxes
The current demands for raw materials / labour / shipping have pushed up the costs - Korda etc can't take that hit - they have to pass it on.
There are interesting times coming for the economy I'm sure
I had small hands when I ate crisps (I was a kid) so packets lasted longer😀