In reply to Post #30
Understood, I was talking about the boilie boiling process. You will have to keep us updated and let us know how you get on with it mate. I would be really interested to hear?

Its got me thinking

In reply to Post #31
Certainly will mate... I'm out for a day session this week so hopefully will have something decent to report

Bit of an update on the gluten/liver hydro. I had a few hours on a local club lake and got a good few fish going on straight boilie chops fished In a shallow margin and then added about 50ml of neat hydro via a baiting spoon. Initial reaction was everything left the swim a bit sharpish but after about 30 mins or so they came back with a vengeance.. My initial thought was that I'd overdone the amount and put way too much signal in the water, kind of a sensory overload but once enough had washed away they were on it well.... I'm back out again this evening so will dial the amount back to 20ml and see what happens.

In reply to Post #33
I have never really experienced overload with just a hydrolysat, but never tried wheat or liver.

In reply to Post #34
Maybe the acid was a bit much?

In reply to Post #35
Thinking exactly that myself with the citric?

Sounds like you dropped it straight onto the fish though? maybe just a natural reaction?

In reply to Post #36
Quite possibly mate, perhaps I got a bit over excited at the thought of the fish going nuts on impact .. I'll be doing a bit more experimenting later..I've got some baits that have been glugged in it and then dried to create a crusty coating so that's my next step

In reply to Post #35
It is not likely in my opinion, but you never know. I would guess they just got scared off.
But you just have to keep testing I guess

In reply to Post #37
Hi Lincs

I would have thought the initial disturbance on entry was the cause of the fish doing the off. What sort of time was it before they ventured back and was there any other bait in the vicinity?

Edit...... Sorry, just went back and read the 30 mins before the return. Obviously dependent on the area if it was on the end of a wind and depth the dissipation in the water would i suspect have been quite wide spread. Their reaction after that time could also have been due to the chops that had been previously munched on having been broken up and the diffusion from these coupled with the reception from the previous introduction of the liquid.

Thanks.

As I am sure Viking has found when doing his tank tests carp respond readily to liquid attraction (of the right kind!).

I would often test liquid attractors by squirting a sample (either neat or watered down) onto the surface over carp sheltering under the tree cover on Salamander, Rashleigh, Waldon, Savay and elsewhere. Given the 'right' liquids the response was instant and they would ofter appear to follow the attraction down through the water table as the liquid sank. If there was bait with or without the test liquid they would invariably feed, and even if no bait was present they would appear to feed, grubbing in the lake bed etc.

Food for thought. Sadly my old bones prevent this activity these days.

Back to the lake for another tester session last night but this time using saturated baits. To gain more of an idea I baited the left of the swim with a plain bait and the right with the saturated... Results were conclusive to the point I reeled the left rod in as the right was going mad!! Now this is no hard water and I'd expect to catch 3 or 4 in an evening on 2 rods but I had 9 on 1 rod... I think I know how they were so triggered so will re try next time just incase it was a weird 1 off.

In reply to Post #41
Interesting

I would try them the other way round next time, if the left hand rod does the damage a eureka moment

In reply to Post #42
Ah yes good point, although I will add that I know the swim well and historically the left side does more fish that the right hence my choice of seeing if that changed... Which it did in some style.

In reply to Post #41
seem you got it right!
I poured a couple of litres of my own (mixed) hydrolysate on a shallow spot on a lake here last week. The bottom was ripped to bits the day after.

In reply to Post #43
I guess you need a few months on it and on other waters but it sounds like a winner so far