In reply to Post #30
My village, an old market town, they are building a huge housing estate on top of the land where the market is. They were given planing approval based on the promice they would build a new market elsewhere for the town. Well, the new market hasnt been built yet, and it looks like their spare money is getting eaten up becasue they have just had to knock down the first lot of houses they built becaise of subsidence. The housing estate is right inbetween farm land, and the Abattoir, so you can guess whats going to happen as soon as they move in....
My village, an old market town, they are building a huge housing estate on top of the land where the market is. They were given planing approval based on the promice they would build a new market elsewhere for the town. Well, the new market hasnt been built yet, and it looks like their spare money is getting eaten up becasue they have just had to knock down the first lot of houses they built becaise of subsidence. The housing estate is right inbetween farm land, and the Abattoir, so you can guess whats going to happen as soon as they move in....
In reply to Post #30
Apparently the bill was brought in for ethical treatment of farm animals and as such I agree with it. Treat animals humanely but this encompasses everything with a back bone, so shooting, fishing etc has been pulled into this bill. But remarkably as it's mainly for the protection of livestock and other animals Halal and Kosher slaughter houses are exempt! WTF!!!
As it only covers animals with back bones it's open season on the political elite. This is not an encitement to cause harm
Apparently the bill was brought in for ethical treatment of farm animals and as such I agree with it. Treat animals humanely but this encompasses everything with a back bone, so shooting, fishing etc has been pulled into this bill. But remarkably as it's mainly for the protection of livestock and other animals Halal and Kosher slaughter houses are exempt! WTF!!!
As it only covers animals with back bones it's open season on the political elite. This is not an encitement to cause harm
In reply to Post #28
Agreed, I'm in darkest Devon
Agreed, I'm in darkest Devon
In reply to Post #6
100%
100%
In reply to Post #23
They have a fully functional spinal column, just made of cartilage, not bone. Definitely fully qualified vertebrates.
They have a fully functional spinal column, just made of cartilage, not bone. Definitely fully qualified vertebrates.
In reply to Post #35
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If it's not a backbone I'm not interested
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If it's not a backbone I'm not interested
Does this effect butchers? Halal butchers in particular. Seeing as our animal rights have gone backwards in the last 10 years not forwards in regards to how our meat is produced I wonder if this will make a difference at all..
In reply to Post #36
Customer. "This backbone is rubbery"
Waiter. "Thank you sir"
Customer. "This backbone is rubbery"
Waiter. "Thank you sir"
In reply to Post #32
As a founder member of the Cyprinid religion I fully intend to continue visiting the outdoor temple alcoves. These are situated in many locations around the world at the waters edge.
Devotees show there allegiance by offering food items to the occupants. Who if feeling that the worshiper is deserving may join them at the waters edge for a commemorative photograph.
As a founder member of the Cyprinid religion I fully intend to continue visiting the outdoor temple alcoves. These are situated in many locations around the world at the waters edge.
Devotees show there allegiance by offering food items to the occupants. Who if feeling that the worshiper is deserving may join them at the waters edge for a commemorative photograph.
In reply to Post #1
This bill is to replace an EU rule that had been in place for many years and we are no longer covered by since leaving the EU. The main news outlets reporting on this 'new' bill all seem to have missed this little 'detail' out as it probably made the story a lot less interesting
No doubt 'our 'version' of the old Article 13 will have a few twists and turns added just to make us different to the EU, having spent all that money leaving we had batter make sure we are different now
This bill is to replace an EU rule that had been in place for many years and we are no longer covered by since leaving the EU. The main news outlets reporting on this 'new' bill all seem to have missed this little 'detail' out as it probably made the story a lot less interesting
No doubt 'our 'version' of the old Article 13 will have a few twists and turns added just to make us different to the EU, having spent all that money leaving we had batter make sure we are different now
In reply to Post #10
Mal, I don't think money is the issue. Far more money involved in Hunting with both dogs and guns and look how that turned out.
We are just seen as the fellas on straw baskets sat by a canal. I think if you put it to a public vote and said the "right" things, we would be finished.
Mal, I don't think money is the issue. Far more money involved in Hunting with both dogs and guns and look how that turned out.
We are just seen as the fellas on straw baskets sat by a canal. I think if you put it to a public vote and said the "right" things, we would be finished.
In reply to Post #40
In reply to Post #30
As much as, as anglers we may dislike it, we really need to be part of the Countryside Alliance.
They put forth the case for hunting, shooting, fishing AND rural communities.
I see them doing more than the Angling Trust did. AT may have worked with them to get us to be allowed to be fishing during lockdown, (I don't know the answer).
In fact I wonder if AT and the CA should be part of one organisation...
I do know the Countryside Alliance just had a bill overturned put forward in government about gorse and heather moor burning. Labour had put in that they would not allow burning, but the CA was able to prove that controlled burning prevented major heathland fires as has happened in the North Yorkshire Moors and near Manchester.
The problem with many laws, whether animal sentient or otherwise, is that someone will use it for the wrong reasons. I can totally understand prevention of animal cruely, but we have to kill animals for food if we as a person eats meat. Yet production of chickens or their eggs, standing up in their own excrement in a shed is not illegal, even if unethical.
'Battery' pigs, that never see outside before being taken to Jeff Mallock the knackers yard...
(Anyone remember James Herriot?)
Far better now to be eating organic produce purchased from a farm shop or butcher than a supermarket.
As much as, as anglers we may dislike it, we really need to be part of the Countryside Alliance.
They put forth the case for hunting, shooting, fishing AND rural communities.
I see them doing more than the Angling Trust did. AT may have worked with them to get us to be allowed to be fishing during lockdown, (I don't know the answer).
In fact I wonder if AT and the CA should be part of one organisation...
I do know the Countryside Alliance just had a bill overturned put forward in government about gorse and heather moor burning. Labour had put in that they would not allow burning, but the CA was able to prove that controlled burning prevented major heathland fires as has happened in the North Yorkshire Moors and near Manchester.
The problem with many laws, whether animal sentient or otherwise, is that someone will use it for the wrong reasons. I can totally understand prevention of animal cruely, but we have to kill animals for food if we as a person eats meat. Yet production of chickens or their eggs, standing up in their own excrement in a shed is not illegal, even if unethical.
'Battery' pigs, that never see outside before being taken to Jeff Mallock the knackers yard...
(Anyone remember James Herriot?)
Far better now to be eating organic produce purchased from a farm shop or butcher than a supermarket.
In reply to Post #43
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist.
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist.
In reply to Post #44
People in glass houses,should never,ever throw stones..!
People in glass houses,should never,ever throw stones..!