In reply to Post #29
They just know, because Danny said so.
This is just another pointless fad, same as washing out. If the bait needs boiling water poured over it to work, to be washed out, to be soaked in fifty quids worth of GLM and liquids, then it's a load of rubbish in the first place.
As Mr Lydon once said 'Ever feel like you've been cheated'?
They just know, because Danny said so.
This is just another pointless fad, same as washing out. If the bait needs boiling water poured over it to work, to be washed out, to be soaked in fifty quids worth of GLM and liquids, then it's a load of rubbish in the first place.
As Mr Lydon once said 'Ever feel like you've been cheated'?
In reply to Post #30
not intending to take the micky. just never thought that was a genuine reason to wash out baits. in fact as far as I'm concerned there is no genuine reason to wash out baits.
pour water on and undo all the work that went into making the bait in the first place, all the attraction left in the bloody bucket.
pay 11 quid a kilo for a good bait to rinse all the attraction out of it, might as well make up 50/50 semo and soya and spod that out.
not intending to take the micky. just never thought that was a genuine reason to wash out baits. in fact as far as I'm concerned there is no genuine reason to wash out baits.
pour water on and undo all the work that went into making the bait in the first place, all the attraction left in the bloody bucket.
pay 11 quid a kilo for a good bait to rinse all the attraction out of it, might as well make up 50/50 semo and soya and spod that out.
In reply to Post #31
He also said I could be wrong, I could be right.
I think you are right
He also said I could be wrong, I could be right.
I think you are right
In reply to Post #31
I don't soak my bait in anything but cold lake water, never even crossed my mind to add extra to them when I have confidence in what I'm already doing. I tend to do this at the end of a session to top up the bait that may be left out there, I've had quick bites this way, when putting fresh bait in hasn't.
It works for me, I don't know if I'd have the same results not doing it but it's free and doesn't harm anyone.
I don't soak my bait in anything but cold lake water, never even crossed my mind to add extra to them when I have confidence in what I'm already doing. I tend to do this at the end of a session to top up the bait that may be left out there, I've had quick bites this way, when putting fresh bait in hasn't.
It works for me, I don't know if I'd have the same results not doing it but it's free and doesn't harm anyone.
In reply to Post #31
I find your stance on this quite intriguing, I've noted you posting in some of the more interesting bait threads, particularly the ones I revisit regarding fermentation, the use of yeast, active liquids like csl, hydrowheat etc, and enzymes.
These ingredients I look at as being synergistic, I want them to react/ferment/break down elements of the bait to increase attraction.
Do you see no benefit in kick starting these reactions with heat and water, while also dissolving, but not releasing, soluble aspects of the bait, so they are releasing attraction immediately? Particularly outside of summer water temperatures
I'm no bait buff but it makes sense to me, takes little time and costs bugger all
I find your stance on this quite intriguing, I've noted you posting in some of the more interesting bait threads, particularly the ones I revisit regarding fermentation, the use of yeast, active liquids like csl, hydrowheat etc, and enzymes.
These ingredients I look at as being synergistic, I want them to react/ferment/break down elements of the bait to increase attraction.
Do you see no benefit in kick starting these reactions with heat and water, while also dissolving, but not releasing, soluble aspects of the bait, so they are releasing attraction immediately? Particularly outside of summer water temperatures
I'm no bait buff but it makes sense to me, takes little time and costs bugger all
In reply to Post #35
Because this can be done with enzymes internally anyway. If you have a well constructed bait it's just pointless.
I'll say the above with a caveat.... I don't fish busy/commercial/ day ticket venues so maybe it might work there. I've never seen anyone who uses this washed out/hot water/soak your baits in powders or liquids (that wash off in 5 minutes) ever outcatch others doing this. In fact, it seems it is those that have no confidence in their actual bait and change suppliers every year (as evidenced by the dozens of threads here) that are obsessed with this prattling around.
Because this can be done with enzymes internally anyway. If you have a well constructed bait it's just pointless.
I'll say the above with a caveat.... I don't fish busy/commercial/ day ticket venues so maybe it might work there. I've never seen anyone who uses this washed out/hot water/soak your baits in powders or liquids (that wash off in 5 minutes) ever outcatch others doing this. In fact, it seems it is those that have no confidence in their actual bait and change suppliers every year (as evidenced by the dozens of threads here) that are obsessed with this prattling around.
In reply to Post #36
Completely agree.
Surely the biggest edge in carp fishing is using a bait that you know will be eaten!
Not worrying about softening or activating a company's bait.
Part of the maid reason I'm going to start making my own is so I know whats in it, so I know how it reacts in the water, so I know how fish react to it.
Completely agree.
Surely the biggest edge in carp fishing is using a bait that you know will be eaten!
Not worrying about softening or activating a company's bait.
Part of the maid reason I'm going to start making my own is so I know whats in it, so I know how it reacts in the water, so I know how fish react to it.
In reply to Post #36
Totally agree, I think it's mainly encouraged by a certain bait company that have a large range of liquids to sell. Looking at their Faceache page I see nearly everyone if not all people that use their bait never use the boilies without first covering them in splodge, so have never even tried the baits 'raw', which I hasten to add are very good so not knocking them.
Totally agree, I think it's mainly encouraged by a certain bait company that have a large range of liquids to sell. Looking at their Faceache page I see nearly everyone if not all people that use their bait never use the boilies without first covering them in splodge, so have never even tried the baits 'raw', which I hasten to add are very good so not knocking them.
In reply to Post #38
Ive tested on my old syndicate putting ''raw'' boilies up against some I coated in liquid attraction and dusted with powders.
saw them in the edge eating from both spots without picking out one single type, from then I just used the natural boilies.
some stuff is defiantly done to catch the angler not the carp.
Ive tested on my old syndicate putting ''raw'' boilies up against some I coated in liquid attraction and dusted with powders.
saw them in the edge eating from both spots without picking out one single type, from then I just used the natural boilies.
some stuff is defiantly done to catch the angler not the carp.
In reply to Post #38
Ccmoore?
My observations on higher stock venues influence my proper fishing, a number of times I've been at places like thorney weir(including mets) seeing instant feeding activity with saturated boilies, and a lag in activity with baits straight from the bag when I've got through what I'd prepped.
I tend to feed a mixture of prepped and unprepped boilies now to give different release times.
One liquid I add costs peanuts, and carp seem to like it, but it's the way this liquid draws invertebrates that keeps me adding it to a bait that is usually covered in snails within minutes anyway.
"they're feeding on naturals"
Ccmoore?
My observations on higher stock venues influence my proper fishing, a number of times I've been at places like thorney weir(including mets) seeing instant feeding activity with saturated boilies, and a lag in activity with baits straight from the bag when I've got through what I'd prepped.
I tend to feed a mixture of prepped and unprepped boilies now to give different release times.
One liquid I add costs peanuts, and carp seem to like it, but it's the way this liquid draws invertebrates that keeps me adding it to a bait that is usually covered in snails within minutes anyway.
"they're feeding on naturals"
In reply to Post #40
Ccmoore?
Try again
Ccmoore?
Try again
In reply to Post #41
Obviously the company that sell "smart liquid"? (for not very smart carpers)
Obviously the company that sell "smart liquid"? (for not very smart carpers)
In reply to Post #42
***** liquid more like.
***** liquid more like.
In reply to Post #41
Tbh I follow 2 bait companies on insta, and I think ccm will soon be unfollowed as the marketing is a bit much. I did watch 5 seconds of a mark pitchers pitch on adding boiling water to live system not long before this thread started
If the company you mention are plugging liquids more than them they must be bad
Tbh I follow 2 bait companies on insta, and I think ccm will soon be unfollowed as the marketing is a bit much. I did watch 5 seconds of a mark pitchers pitch on adding boiling water to live system not long before this thread started
If the company you mention are plugging liquids more than them they must be bad
In reply to Post #29
Great point, love it.
Great point, love it.