I've only bothered with a second skin for long sessions using an extended wrap to give a bit more room, I can't say condensation has ever been an issue to me, certainly not worth the weight and bulk to fix it for the night or two sessions I might do in winter
Same set up as the rest of the year for me apart from the addition of a top layer on fortis sleeping bag.
Open fronted tempest.
I put the unhooking mat on top on the Tempest to cut down condensation.
The tempest is a luxury compared to a 50 inch oval in the thick of winter for many years.
Open fronted tempest.
I put the unhooking mat on top on the Tempest to cut down condensation.
The tempest is a luxury compared to a 50 inch oval in the thick of winter for many years.
Done an awful lot of camping/bivvying over the years and never bothered about condensation and still don't. There again my max sessions are 5 days and things do get progressively more damp over time, especially if the weather won't let you dry out. Longer sessions in winter it may be an issue. Must admit 3 winter days with 17 hours of darkness are as much as I want to do.
In reply to Post #25
Well I am ****ed if I like water dripping on my face when Im in my bed or all over everything ?
when I can EASILY eliminate it its not ****in rocket science ? same as I would never dream of using a shelter of any sort with the door down whatever the weather or without using a groundsheet
Well I am ****ed if I like water dripping on my face when Im in my bed or all over everything ?
when I can EASILY eliminate it its not ****in rocket science ? same as I would never dream of using a shelter of any sort with the door down whatever the weather or without using a groundsheet
In reply to Post #34
Gerry. In all my years angling ive never had condensation dripping on my face and all over everything
You must have breath like steaming cup of Typhoo mate.
Gerry. In all my years angling ive never had condensation dripping on my face and all over everything
You must have breath like steaming cup of Typhoo mate.
In reply to Post #35
I think some people do suffer and or different materials suffer more with condensation, i remember many years ago after i bought my original aqua armadillo it was late october hardly winter conditions but i had already been on the lake for a night my mate came on for the second night fished in the next swim using his fox evo.
After just one night his bivvy was absolutely soaking with condensation the next morning yet mine had none at all over the two nights.
I think some people do suffer and or different materials suffer more with condensation, i remember many years ago after i bought my original aqua armadillo it was late october hardly winter conditions but i had already been on the lake for a night my mate came on for the second night fished in the next swim using his fox evo.
After just one night his bivvy was absolutely soaking with condensation the next morning yet mine had none at all over the two nights.
In reply to Post #35
as said ((due to my claustrophobia )) I can never have the door down or sleeping bag zip done up either and yes I drink shed loads of tea when Im fishing and if I dont have the skull cap on or a wrap on a bivvy
in the right weather conditions I will and anyone will get condensation not this time of year its too mild
as said ((due to my claustrophobia )) I can never have the door down or sleeping bag zip done up either and yes I drink shed loads of tea when Im fishing and if I dont have the skull cap on or a wrap on a bivvy
in the right weather conditions I will and anyone will get condensation not this time of year its too mild
In reply to Post #23
Nice finish!
Thing is, we're all different. Some don't mind the cold, others do. Some want different things from fishing than others. Personally, I'd rather have comfort when fishing as being the big I am isn't what I'm about. In truth, I hate the cold, yet I love snowboarding too. But I ensure I'm well equipped to withstand the conditions. Besides, it's a physical sport unlike fishing so it's difficult to compare.
Call me a pussy or whatever but I want warmth. Gimme warmth god dam it.
Nice finish!Thing is, we're all different. Some don't mind the cold, others do. Some want different things from fishing than others. Personally, I'd rather have comfort when fishing as being the big I am isn't what I'm about. In truth, I hate the cold, yet I love snowboarding too. But I ensure I'm well equipped to withstand the conditions. Besides, it's a physical sport unlike fishing so it's difficult to compare.
Call me a pussy or whatever but I want warmth. Gimme warmth god dam it.
In reply to Post #12
Was in my Cayman last night, front fully open and in the morning there was just a bit of condensation (no drips) that soon dried out. I was too hot in the bag and had to push the cover off. By the tidal Trent that takes no prisoners as it's totally barren without a single tree or anything for shelter.
If the rain is blowing in then I'll put the sides down but won't ever close the door unless it's some mental sideways rain, I've only ever had to do that once.
Was in my Cayman last night, front fully open and in the morning there was just a bit of condensation (no drips) that soon dried out. I was too hot in the bag and had to push the cover off. By the tidal Trent that takes no prisoners as it's totally barren without a single tree or anything for shelter.
If the rain is blowing in then I'll put the sides down but won't ever close the door unless it's some mental sideways rain, I've only ever had to do that once.
In reply to Post #38
You say you want comfort. Because being the 'big I am'
Is not what you are about. Many that sleep under a brolly all winter are comfortable. If they weren't they wouldn't do it.
I also like to be warm. I've a selection of bivvies
And I don't belive they provide any warmth.
That will be from my merino base layer. Insulatd clothes
Snugpak jacket. 5 season bag. Bedchair cover.
An extra mm of nylon isn't going to make much difference.
You say you want comfort. Because being the 'big I am'
Is not what you are about. Many that sleep under a brolly all winter are comfortable. If they weren't they wouldn't do it.
I also like to be warm. I've a selection of bivvies
And I don't belive they provide any warmth.
That will be from my merino base layer. Insulatd clothes
Snugpak jacket. 5 season bag. Bedchair cover.
An extra mm of nylon isn't going to make much difference.
In reply to Post #40
Like the previous post I replied to who “respects” we all like different things, I respect everyone's opinions as it's their own. It's those warriors who Ive seen recently sling insults that I have no respect for and who get ignored.
Will a 3 layer bivvy compared to my single layer (old school) bivvy not make any difference in your opinion?
Like the previous post I replied to who “respects” we all like different things, I respect everyone's opinions as it's their own. It's those warriors who Ive seen recently sling insults that I have no respect for and who get ignored.
Will a 3 layer bivvy compared to my single layer (old school) bivvy not make any difference in your opinion?
In reply to Post #41
I imagine it wouod be mostly psychological
If a bit of nylon even in layers had any insulation
It would be all over the building industry
Rather than 2 foot of insulation on a loft conversion
They could stick a winterskin on it.
I imagine it wouod be mostly psychological
If a bit of nylon even in layers had any insulation
It would be all over the building industry
Rather than 2 foot of insulation on a loft conversion
They could stick a winterskin on it.
In reply to Post #42
So you're in the construction industry.
They should build bivvies with duck down between the layers. That'd do. It'd keep warm and dry off when wet.
So you're in the construction industry.
They should build bivvies with duck down between the layers. That'd do. It'd keep warm and dry off when wet.
In reply to Post #43
But then you would have to have ventilation
All over the place. And it would get cold again.
So you wouod need a heater. Just like with houses.
But we do have one warm heater when fishing.
Our bodies. Trap that heat. Clothing and a bag.
But then you would have to have ventilation
All over the place. And it would get cold again.
So you wouod need a heater. Just like with houses.
But we do have one warm heater when fishing.
Our bodies. Trap that heat. Clothing and a bag.
In reply to Post #44
Interesting thoughts mate
What's body heat, around 36.5 degree?
It's the hot air rising contacting the single skin barrier causing the condensation (dew point). With a brolly you have a lot less chance due to the open front, unless it's a Fox ultra
A twin skin makes a massive difference in dissipating the temperatures. The skin can condense but so what, the inside Bivvy is dry (like double glazing). Can remember my first twin skin, amazing, used to warm the bivvy with the stove and the lot, nice and dry. In fact, there's a though. On a cold night crack your stove up in a single skin and accelerate the process, I will guarantee your 100% it will be wet through in a single skin tent with the door shut, knock the tent, waterfalls
All part of the winter package though, multi layers, quality clothing and a good bag
Interesting thoughts mate
What's body heat, around 36.5 degree?
It's the hot air rising contacting the single skin barrier causing the condensation (dew point). With a brolly you have a lot less chance due to the open front, unless it's a Fox ultra
A twin skin makes a massive difference in dissipating the temperatures. The skin can condense but so what, the inside Bivvy is dry (like double glazing). Can remember my first twin skin, amazing, used to warm the bivvy with the stove and the lot, nice and dry. In fact, there's a though. On a cold night crack your stove up in a single skin and accelerate the process, I will guarantee your 100% it will be wet through in a single skin tent with the door shut, knock the tent, waterfalls
All part of the winter package though, multi layers, quality clothing and a good bag