In reply to Post #30
Do you understand the nitrogen cycle and how to cycle your tank prior to adding fish? Whatever the aquatics place tells you, you CAN NOT add fish to your tank right away. It can take upto 8 weeks for your tank to be ready to accept fish. If you want any advice feel free to pm me.
Do you understand the nitrogen cycle and how to cycle your tank prior to adding fish? Whatever the aquatics place tells you, you CAN NOT add fish to your tank right away. It can take upto 8 weeks for your tank to be ready to accept fish. If you want any advice feel free to pm me.
In reply to Post #30
Fish can start to go in after a week mate, done it many times and never had an issue. If you stock the right fish it's perfectly ok
Fish can start to go in after a week mate, done it many times and never had an issue. If you stock the right fish it's perfectly ok
In reply to Post #32
But also unethical. Especially nowadays when we know so much more about it. Why wait a week if you aren't going to fishless cycle? May as well drop them straight in. Also just because all the fish don't die, does not mean they are not affected.
But also unethical. Especially nowadays when we know so much more about it. Why wait a week if you aren't going to fishless cycle? May as well drop them straight in. Also just because all the fish don't die, does not mean they are not affected.
In reply to Post #32
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In reply to Post #33
Disagree totally, plus really? Unethical? Some would say keeping fish in a tank is unethical. A couple of Hardy fish after a week or so, leave for a couple of weeks, then a couple more, and so on. I was advised to do that by a good friend with over 20yeard in the trade and its always done me well. The fish have always thrived, in fact the very first fish I ever put into an aquarium lived over 10 years, so it can't have been so bad, can it? Putting something like discus straight in, of course bad idea. But some of the catfish species for instance are tough as old boots and very adaptable
Disagree totally, plus really? Unethical? Some would say keeping fish in a tank is unethical. A couple of Hardy fish after a week or so, leave for a couple of weeks, then a couple more, and so on. I was advised to do that by a good friend with over 20yeard in the trade and its always done me well. The fish have always thrived, in fact the very first fish I ever put into an aquarium lived over 10 years, so it can't have been so bad, can it? Putting something like discus straight in, of course bad idea. But some of the catfish species for instance are tough as old boots and very adaptable
In reply to Post #35
We will agree to disagree then. Fish in cycling is hugely outdated and yes is unethical no matter how you look at it. No offense to your friend, but he works within the trade so it is in his interest for people to buy fish as soon as possible. Pretty much the only people who recommend fish in cycles nowadays are aquatics chains. Even most decent Independant stores will rubbish it now.
Ammonia and nitrite cause harm to fish, that is fact. So dropping a fish into an enclosed environment that isnt able to yet breakdown ammonia or nitrite into Nitrate is causing unnecessary suffering. And purely for the sake of your own satisfaction because you are too impatient to wait for your tank to cycle.
We will agree to disagree then. Fish in cycling is hugely outdated and yes is unethical no matter how you look at it. No offense to your friend, but he works within the trade so it is in his interest for people to buy fish as soon as possible. Pretty much the only people who recommend fish in cycles nowadays are aquatics chains. Even most decent Independant stores will rubbish it now.
Ammonia and nitrite cause harm to fish, that is fact. So dropping a fish into an enclosed environment that isnt able to yet breakdown ammonia or nitrite into Nitrate is causing unnecessary suffering. And purely for the sake of your own satisfaction because you are too impatient to wait for your tank to cycle.
I haven't read up on the nitro cycle yet, I will do before putting any fish in. I am aware and have in the past let water settle, treat for chlorine etc. I'm not a complete noob, I won't throw fish into tap water.
In reply to Post #37
There are some very good guides to fishless cycling on YouTube buddy, check them out
There are some very good guides to fishless cycling on YouTube buddy, check them out
In reply to Post #36
Thing is my mate had no interest in selling me fish straight away, he didn't benefit from it in the slightest. Fish in cycling is done way more than you think I bet. Each to their own and all that, but ethics don't come into it. It's the same as people harping on about ethical angling. If ethics were really a big concern, people wouldn't fish. It's just people trying to justify it in their own minds imo
Thing is my mate had no interest in selling me fish straight away, he didn't benefit from it in the slightest. Fish in cycling is done way more than you think I bet. Each to their own and all that, but ethics don't come into it. It's the same as people harping on about ethical angling. If ethics were really a big concern, people wouldn't fish. It's just people trying to justify it in their own minds imo
In reply to Post #36
I don't disagree with you Monstamunch and if cycling naturally then yes 8 weeks is probably about right.
However it can be done quicker especially if using the correct water treatment chemicals.
I know a lady that was respected in the trade as a fish supplier for years and she reckons if done properly it can be cycled in about a week.
I don't disagree with you Monstamunch and if cycling naturally then yes 8 weeks is probably about right.
However it can be done quicker especially if using the correct water treatment chemicals.
I know a lady that was respected in the trade as a fish supplier for years and she reckons if done properly it can be cycled in about a week.
If you treat the water and leave it with the filter running you can put fish in after a week. It is better to prime the filters with bacteria from another successful tank and leave the whole lot running. You could introduce 1 fish and feed it sparingly to aid the feed for the bacteria in the filters.
In reply to Post #40
In reply to Post #42
Really interested in the Perch in an aquarium environment angle.
I guess you can feed them frozen dead maggots. Meat/spam substances, and other dead bugs. Prawns, etc. Left over, dinner. Bits of kebab, etc. Ha.
Not sure if it is workable though, when away, etc.
Really interested in the Perch in an aquarium environment angle.
I guess you can feed them frozen dead maggots. Meat/spam substances, and other dead bugs. Prawns, etc. Left over, dinner. Bits of kebab, etc. Ha.
Not sure if it is workable though, when away, etc.
In reply to Post #43
Few live small goldfish will go down a treat when they are big enough
Few live small goldfish will go down a treat when they are big enough
In reply to Post #38
Fishless cycles can work but can be tricky to get right. Bear in mind the nitrosoma bacteria have to have ammonia to survive and the nitrobacter need nitrite, if the right amount of this isnt present bacteria starts to die within 12 hours or so. Introducing fish slowly, rigorous testing and minimal feeding is a better option, now i have minimal scientific info on the subject but i did spend over 20 years in aquatic trade specilizing in aquariums and have literally helped thousands of people especially novices who have no clue. All of the fish i sold ian were at trade or less so as a shop it made no money but thats what mates do!
Fishless cycles can work but can be tricky to get right. Bear in mind the nitrosoma bacteria have to have ammonia to survive and the nitrobacter need nitrite, if the right amount of this isnt present bacteria starts to die within 12 hours or so. Introducing fish slowly, rigorous testing and minimal feeding is a better option, now i have minimal scientific info on the subject but i did spend over 20 years in aquatic trade specilizing in aquariums and have literally helped thousands of people especially novices who have no clue. All of the fish i sold ian were at trade or less so as a shop it made no money but thats what mates do!