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Wayne Wayne
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Post #408 15 Sep 2022 07:29
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Lockdown and Jabs........nowt to do with the Tory's.......
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #409 15 Sep 2022 07:50
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Those poor torys, only been in office 12 years give them a chance.

Rome was not built in a day,

The most important thing is the health of the nation,

Tim

RKB
Posts: 1,731
Post #410 15 Sep 2022 07:53
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-celebrates-success-of-vaccine-programme-in-new-years-message
snapper1 snapper1
Posts: 3,101
Post #411 15 Sep 2022 07:56
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World beating, then when the stuff hits the thing, you know the rest
JasonM JasonM
Posts: 1,764
Post #412 15 Sep 2022 08:04
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That's the most poorly presented pop up I've ever seen 😀 excess deaths are an issue worldwide which are being looked into, though that will take time to unravel.

It's no wonder that labour are not in power when clearly its voters are ‘challenged' folk.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #413 15 Sep 2022 17:53
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Good old torys, never there fault
Nearly 7 million on Nhs waiting list, still never mind ahhhhh
JasonM JasonM
Posts: 1,764
Post #414 15 Sep 2022 18:15
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Covid was the reason for the backlog. When you stop something completely it can take years to recover.
A bit like the car market with folk waiting a year of more for a new car.

I've no complaints myself with the NHS or family had to use them for all sorts over the years some without treatment would have life limiting.
We've a lot to thank the NHS for

Do you personally have any real life examples that you would like to share?
mal mal
Posts: 8,986
Post #415 15 Sep 2022 19:31
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...'It's no wonder that labour are not in power when clearly its voters are ‘challenged' folk.'...

Capital L for Labour. Its a proper noun.
If you are defining Labour in the plural 'are not in power' then you should follow with 'clearly their voters'.

Challenged....

(I know, it's an easy hit to pick up on grammar, but glass houses and all that) btw- I'm not claiming perfection in my posts. Fat fingers and autotype can catch us all out.

I genuinely don't get your blind defence of this and previous tory government. If my daughter was in need of food banks and monthly help to pay for energy bills, I'd definitely have some 'complaints'.

New Labour was not much better. Another lying PM and the most 'tory' Labour government in history.

It's OK to admit you were duped by their repeated lies. Lots of voters were.
JasonM JasonM
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Post #416 15 Sep 2022 19:56
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Grammar knock yourself out if it makes you feel less challenged. Blaming the tories for excess Covid deaths did raise the question..

So you finally admit “New Labour was not much better”

And now your hoping New New Labour is going to be better.....

I think you should now take some more time to reflect and really should ask yourself if “New New Labour” were in power would they be any different ?
I expect after a few years you'd be shaking your head and asking yourself why you believed all their lies.

Glass houses and all that...
mal mal
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Post #417 15 Sep 2022 20:43
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I'm not finally admitting it. I've said it all along. Blair - your favourite Labour PM - was a lying narcissist, much like Boris. Both responsible for screwing over the working class and causing thousands of unnecessary deaths. The two worst PM's in my lifetime - reserving a space for truss of course.

I'm not a Labour voter. My criticism of this appalling government isn't driven by a party allegiance - its simply disgust at their lies and governance.

In true tory fashion you avoid the main point. How can you have 'no complaints ' with a government that has put your own daughter in the position she's in?

JasonM JasonM
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Post #419 15 Sep 2022 20:56
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I never said Blair was my favourite PM what I was saying was that he had attributes that got him elected like Boris did.

And I'm not a Conservative or Labour voter - my point at the very start was they are all the same and yet the rose tinted spectacle brigade thought Labour would do a better job.

If you go back long enough in history I'm sure you'd see the damage that successive governments have done to this county.

We don't seem to have many poor politicians in this country...

My daughter - that's what family's do blaming isn't going to pay the bill is it ??
RKB
Posts: 1,731
Post #420 16 Sep 2022 08:22
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Time to give it up, Mal.

Fact is, a whole load of people up and down the country would have their family suffer at the hands of an elite, right wing, authoritarian political party that cares not one iota for the people they're employed to represent, rather than admit that we'd all be collectively better off with policies and principles built around compassion and protection of those most vulnerable in society.

Instead, the UK is awash with greed, selfishness and closed mindedness, entirely manufactured over the last 12 years, and especially exacerbated by Brexit in so many ways.

You only have to look at this daft queue in London to realise that we have everything upside down, so much so that it is clearly utterly ludicrous; behold the army of people and infrastructure and supplies that have magically appeared overnight to support people standing in a queue, whilst there's homeless people sleeping on the very same streets every night of the year that are happily ignored. Shameful.

How did we get to this point? Everyone knows the answer - but we will not see change until everyone is able to admit it.
snapper1 snapper1
Posts: 3,101
Post #421 16 Sep 2022 08:30
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Covids fault, thanks for info
And yes , but I won't be sharing, thanks
VLT VLT
Posts: 8,995
Post #422 16 Sep 2022 10:45
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The Tory's (with the help of the media establishment) are so good at convincing people to look elsewhere for the enemy. It's almost a form of brainwashing, but it's a powerful narrative, "don't vote for them, they will take all your money in taxes"

Tax is good.
Tinhead Tinhead
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Post #423 16 Sep 2022 15:06
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All parties try to convince us that the other parties are the enemy.
But what media establishments only do that on behalf of the Tories?
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