In reply to Post #387
Feel better now
Feel better now
In reply to Post #390
seems there is a generation that have never known a cold house as being the norm.
I remember my house being so cold when I was a kid, I used to go to bed with my breath turning into steam.
I'm not saying we should go back to those days but although the seasons seem to be getting warmer nowadays,more people than ever are complaining about feeling cold in the cooler seasons.
With energy prices as they are, now is the time for people to get used to putting on another layer of clothing.
Disclaimer and tin helmet strapped tightly strapped down. Does not apply to the elderly and those with medical conditions
Edit
So far no one disputing my previous post.
seems there is a generation that have never known a cold house as being the norm.
I remember my house being so cold when I was a kid, I used to go to bed with my breath turning into steam.
I'm not saying we should go back to those days but although the seasons seem to be getting warmer nowadays,more people than ever are complaining about feeling cold in the cooler seasons.
With energy prices as they are, now is the time for people to get used to putting on another layer of clothing.
Disclaimer and tin helmet strapped tightly strapped down. Does not apply to the elderly and those with medical conditions
Edit
So far no one disputing my previous post.
In reply to Post #394
Have a Google of sudden infant death syndrome ( SIDS) studies have shown that above 22 deg C there is an increase in mortality rate.
I agree that as heating and insulation has improved over the last century or so it has had health benefits but you can overdo things and go over the peak as it were. No one should be cold and yes that can be a serious problem but there is a difference in “putting a jumper on “ and being wasteful.
Some years ago my wife did some social research interviews ( by appointment) and saw some unusual sights doing it.
A guy turning around to show some some backless leather shorts and a couple of interviews with a transvestite in different guises seem quite mundane looking back now. The craziest must have been someone using a nebuliser to help with his breathing problems, pausing only to chain smoke and dressed only in his underpants as the heating was turned up so high. Not sure how you could help someone like that especially now with todays prices.
We only have finite supplies and if some are “greedy “ with their use then we could face shortages or further price hikes especially if we get a cold winter that pushes usage up.
We must not get in a position of pricing people out of the market as you say but it means the rest of us who can afford excess energy must be more responsible with our usage.
What is most important is that we do not let our demand exceed our supply otherwise price becomes irrelevant.
Have a Google of sudden infant death syndrome ( SIDS) studies have shown that above 22 deg C there is an increase in mortality rate.
I agree that as heating and insulation has improved over the last century or so it has had health benefits but you can overdo things and go over the peak as it were. No one should be cold and yes that can be a serious problem but there is a difference in “putting a jumper on “ and being wasteful.
Some years ago my wife did some social research interviews ( by appointment) and saw some unusual sights doing it.
A guy turning around to show some some backless leather shorts and a couple of interviews with a transvestite in different guises seem quite mundane looking back now. The craziest must have been someone using a nebuliser to help with his breathing problems, pausing only to chain smoke and dressed only in his underpants as the heating was turned up so high. Not sure how you could help someone like that especially now with todays prices.
We only have finite supplies and if some are “greedy “ with their use then we could face shortages or further price hikes especially if we get a cold winter that pushes usage up.
We must not get in a position of pricing people out of the market as you say but it means the rest of us who can afford excess energy must be more responsible with our usage.
What is most important is that we do not let our demand exceed our supply otherwise price becomes irrelevant.
I don't think we can moan as a human race when you look at how over half the world live......water in every home, heating in every home etc...... 
In reply to Post #396
That's one way of looking at it
That's one way of looking at it
In reply to Post #396
I've seen 5 year old children washing their clothes in rain puddles in Vietnam with a smile on their face, was in Italy last week when a local told me their electric has rose 2k a year. also in Italy restaurant owners have to pay 8k a year to put seats and tables outside for a very small area at that.
I've seen 5 year old children washing their clothes in rain puddles in Vietnam with a smile on their face, was in Italy last week when a local told me their electric has rose 2k a year. also in Italy restaurant owners have to pay 8k a year to put seats and tables outside for a very small area at that.
In reply to Post #396
I do think we are fortunate in the west to have water and heat in our homes but it shouldn't be seen as a luxury. The idea that people will just have to get used to things being worse is just a regression for society and no competent government should find that acceptable. The human race SHOULD strive for more, and better ways to improve the wellbeing of living things.
I do think we are fortunate in the west to have water and heat in our homes but it shouldn't be seen as a luxury. The idea that people will just have to get used to things being worse is just a regression for society and no competent government should find that acceptable. The human race SHOULD strive for more, and better ways to improve the wellbeing of living things.
In reply to Post #399
According to big US bank analysis the EU has solved the European gas crisis and predicting the price will plummet over the winter to under half today's prices. Big round of applause for the EU 👏👏👏
According to big US bank analysis the EU has solved the European gas crisis and predicting the price will plummet over the winter to under half today's prices. Big round of applause for the EU 👏👏👏
In reply to Post #400
They're asking for a 15% cut in usage by members and also have a bigger capacity stored than us so will run that down to maintain supplies. Not sure you can call that solving the crisis, especially long term.
They're asking for a 15% cut in usage by members and also have a bigger capacity stored than us so will run that down to maintain supplies. Not sure you can call that solving the crisis, especially long term.
In reply to Post #401
The experts at Goldman Sachs see it as successfully solved with their strategy mate
The experts at Goldman Sachs see it as successfully solved with their strategy mate
In reply to Post #401
A mild winter, a worldwide recession will all reduce demand pushing prices down.
Gas prices will go the same way as Covid funny that.
A mild winter, a worldwide recession will all reduce demand pushing prices down.
Gas prices will go the same way as Covid funny that.
In reply to Post #402
Experts aghh
Experts aghh
In reply to Post #403
Covid........strangely we are still seeing huge numbers of excess deaths.......waiting times, cancelled appointments and of course Jab side effects........
Covid........strangely we are still seeing huge numbers of excess deaths.......waiting times, cancelled appointments and of course Jab side effects........
In reply to Post #405
Excess death increase nothing to do with Covid.
I found this on the web at sadly it does seem the case, circulatory you can imagine as a lot of folk have been at home a lot more not getting out. Many were unable to go to doctors so problems not picked up
UK health officials are analysing a rise in excess deaths seen in recent months, and circulatory diseases and diabetes are believed to be behind the increase. Figures from the Office for National Statistics show about 10% more deaths than expected since April this year.
Back in 2018 500 persons a week were dying prematurely from diabetes in England & Wales, sad statistic
And not many folk having jabs yet !
Excess death increase nothing to do with Covid.
I found this on the web at sadly it does seem the case, circulatory you can imagine as a lot of folk have been at home a lot more not getting out. Many were unable to go to doctors so problems not picked up
UK health officials are analysing a rise in excess deaths seen in recent months, and circulatory diseases and diabetes are believed to be behind the increase. Figures from the Office for National Statistics show about 10% more deaths than expected since April this year.
Back in 2018 500 persons a week were dying prematurely from diabetes in England & Wales, sad statistic
And not many folk having jabs yet !
In reply to Post #405
That's tory rule for you Wayne - not that you've anything to complain about though eh?
That's tory rule for you Wayne - not that you've anything to complain about though eh?