In reply to Post #14
No you will be 100% correct Vossy regarding that particular stove. I've never had one. I've always used the stoves mentioned or a Coleman.
But the stoves we all generally use, are not designed to have liquid gas run through them. Turning the can upside down is not the one. It's the same reason the cheaper longer canisters of gas meant for plumbers flare very badly when used with a Bulin etc when the can is still full when you lay them flat on their side.
No you will be 100% correct Vossy regarding that particular stove. I've never had one. I've always used the stoves mentioned or a Coleman.
But the stoves we all generally use, are not designed to have liquid gas run through them. Turning the can upside down is not the one. It's the same reason the cheaper longer canisters of gas meant for plumbers flare very badly when used with a Bulin etc when the can is still full when you lay them flat on their side.
For years, I have had a simple method for using "Gas" during the Winter months, regardless of how cold it gets, the water in the lake will always have a bit of warmth to it, even if its only 3 - 4C. I just fill a small bait bucket with water and drop the gas cannister in it,
When your cooking, the cannister does not freeze up and if you keep the bucket of water in your bivvy for the session, the air temperature will warm the water even more. Plus, I always cook on the lowest heat that I can.
As for inverting a "Gas Cannister", I have aways been against it as it seems a dangerous way to use one having done it once or twice accidently. But, I have to smile, I can recollect that Gerry would always advise people to invert the cannister, even with a Bullin.
Stoves I use, are Primus Omnifuel and Himalya, Hexy blocks and Gel burners, Trangia's and variants of and the Bulin.
My preferred cookers are my Primus's in the Winter or the Trangia's. The Primus is useful when it comes to pack up if the bivvy is wet or iced up, set it going with the bivvy door closed whilst you pack up outside and ice will soon melt and the bivvy will eventually dry if you leave it long enough.
Trangia's in Winter can take a while to warm up before you can start cooking. Just use a "Preheater", Trangia sell them. but they are expensive for what they are. I just use the bottom half of a shoe polish tin, just put a tiny bit of paper or tree bark in, a couple of drops of meths on top of it and no more and light and put it under the Trangia burner. Within seconds the Trangia will be blazing away and you can start cooking straight away. But do not put too much fuel in the preheater otherwise it takes a long time to burn out and the Trangia is like a jet engine on steroids. You only need the preheater to burn for not more than a minute if that.
>>>I think "white gas" is just petrol without additives, probably the same or very similar to Coleman fuel.<<<
"White Gas", similar to Coleman Fuel is Naptha, or Napthalene. Also known as "Panel Wipe". I buy it in gallon tins to use in my Primus's instead of Aspen 4 sometimes, but, there is two different types of Panel Wipe... and at the moment thanks to "Brain Fog" from Covid. I cannot remember what the difference is, one might be Napthalene and the other Cellulose based which is no good.
When your cooking, the cannister does not freeze up and if you keep the bucket of water in your bivvy for the session, the air temperature will warm the water even more. Plus, I always cook on the lowest heat that I can.
As for inverting a "Gas Cannister", I have aways been against it as it seems a dangerous way to use one having done it once or twice accidently. But, I have to smile, I can recollect that Gerry would always advise people to invert the cannister, even with a Bullin.
Stoves I use, are Primus Omnifuel and Himalya, Hexy blocks and Gel burners, Trangia's and variants of and the Bulin.
My preferred cookers are my Primus's in the Winter or the Trangia's. The Primus is useful when it comes to pack up if the bivvy is wet or iced up, set it going with the bivvy door closed whilst you pack up outside and ice will soon melt and the bivvy will eventually dry if you leave it long enough.
Trangia's in Winter can take a while to warm up before you can start cooking. Just use a "Preheater", Trangia sell them. but they are expensive for what they are. I just use the bottom half of a shoe polish tin, just put a tiny bit of paper or tree bark in, a couple of drops of meths on top of it and no more and light and put it under the Trangia burner. Within seconds the Trangia will be blazing away and you can start cooking straight away. But do not put too much fuel in the preheater otherwise it takes a long time to burn out and the Trangia is like a jet engine on steroids. You only need the preheater to burn for not more than a minute if that.
>>>I think "white gas" is just petrol without additives, probably the same or very similar to Coleman fuel.<<<
"White Gas", similar to Coleman Fuel is Naptha, or Napthalene. Also known as "Panel Wipe". I buy it in gallon tins to use in my Primus's instead of Aspen 4 sometimes, but, there is two different types of Panel Wipe... and at the moment thanks to "Brain Fog" from Covid. I cannot remember what the difference is, one might be Napthalene and the other Cellulose based which is no good.
Not all gas canisters have the same gas in them & using different brands can affect how your stove performs at lower temperatures.
Gases are usually butane, propane, isobutane or a mixture of them & the exact make up will be written on the can. Different blends have different properties - amount of gas in the can, optimum temp for usage & volatility etc. As mentioned, propane vaporizes at the lowest temp so if you're fishing in the cold, look for a blend that has a higher propane content. Builders gas canisters have a different blend to most camping gas companies.
If you are uncomfortable applying direct heat from a flame or boiling water on a can then consider using the cheap little disposable packets of handwarmer/ foot warmer that heat up when exposed to the air. One of these under your gas canister will keep it going in the coldest temps & can last for over 8 hours although they're definitely at their hottest during the first 3-4 hours. They work on exposure to oxygen in the air so don't place it inside a neoprene cover as that will starve it of oxygen & it won't get as warm.
Gases are usually butane, propane, isobutane or a mixture of them & the exact make up will be written on the can. Different blends have different properties - amount of gas in the can, optimum temp for usage & volatility etc. As mentioned, propane vaporizes at the lowest temp so if you're fishing in the cold, look for a blend that has a higher propane content. Builders gas canisters have a different blend to most camping gas companies.
If you are uncomfortable applying direct heat from a flame or boiling water on a can then consider using the cheap little disposable packets of handwarmer/ foot warmer that heat up when exposed to the air. One of these under your gas canister will keep it going in the coldest temps & can last for over 8 hours although they're definitely at their hottest during the first 3-4 hours. They work on exposure to oxygen in the air so don't place it inside a neoprene cover as that will starve it of oxygen & it won't get as warm.
Turning the can upside down will depend on your stove too.
The reason for the flare up is the amount of fuel being burnt. Most are designed to burn the fuel as a gas but if you turn it upside down you are forcing a liquid into the burner which is highly concentrated fuel so will burn more. Some stoves actually have a preheating pipe that goes up through the flame which ensures that liquid won't make it to the burner - I think the primes easyfuel is an example.
If you are still struggling with cold, look for the multi can adapters & run your stove off of a couple of cans. 2 cans require half the heat for the gas to expand so will not cool as quickly.
The reason for the flare up is the amount of fuel being burnt. Most are designed to burn the fuel as a gas but if you turn it upside down you are forcing a liquid into the burner which is highly concentrated fuel so will burn more. Some stoves actually have a preheating pipe that goes up through the flame which ensures that liquid won't make it to the burner - I think the primes easyfuel is an example.
If you are still struggling with cold, look for the multi can adapters & run your stove off of a couple of cans. 2 cans require half the heat for the gas to expand so will not cool as quickly.
If you don't camouflage your gas canister the carp will spot it and you won't catch anything. It's very simple. I've gone one step further and actually use a hollowed out log to disguise mine.