In reply to Post #14
Well I didn't do anything different to any other line I've ever spooled up with and the GTHD that I replaced it with has gone on a treat. What makes me think I might have had a bad spool is because after I posted it on Facebook I had a couple of comments from people that had used it for years without problems and they'd had the same issue as well. So I wonder if there was a dodgy batch. Anyway it was enough for me to say I tried it and it's not for me.
Well I didn't do anything different to any other line I've ever spooled up with and the GTHD that I replaced it with has gone on a treat. What makes me think I might have had a bad spool is because after I posted it on Facebook I had a couple of comments from people that had used it for years without problems and they'd had the same issue as well. So I wonder if there was a dodgy batch. Anyway it was enough for me to say I tried it and it's not for me.
I've been using long Chuck since spring and first off it was really good.. probably the best I've used until recently where the last few meter seem to snap like cotton. Seems to have gone really brittle. Strip back 3 or 4 meter and it's good as new but for the peace of mind I'll be getting rid.
In reply to Post #6
The loaded is one of the worst lines I've ever used. Took it off my spools within 24 hours of spooling up, it coiled terribly. The normal synchro is the best mono I've ever used. Heard good things about thinking anglers ogx but can't see myself ever not using braid or flouro tbh they're much more forgiving.
The loaded is one of the worst lines I've ever used. Took it off my spools within 24 hours of spooling up, it coiled terribly. The normal synchro is the best mono I've ever used. Heard good things about thinking anglers ogx but can't see myself ever not using braid or flouro tbh they're much more forgiving.
In reply to Post #18
It's always amazes me how we all have different experiences. I had the loaded version on my spools for 4 years and think it's a great line. Yes it coils when on the spool but after a cast and getting the line wet the coils disappear and it behaves perfectly and as you would expect sinks really well.
It's always amazes me how we all have different experiences. I had the loaded version on my spools for 4 years and think it's a great line. Yes it coils when on the spool but after a cast and getting the line wet the coils disappear and it behaves perfectly and as you would expect sinks really well.
With so many mixed experiences I'm beginning to wonder if it's how the line is loaded onto the spool for the first time that makes the difference.
I had problems with Shimano Technium coiling when I loaded it with the label of the spool facing the reel..
So I took it off and put new Technium on using the pencil through the spool method and it's been great.
When I say the pencil method I don't actually use a pencil, I do it like this
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I had problems with Shimano Technium coiling when I loaded it with the label of the spool facing the reel..
So I took it off and put new Technium on using the pencil through the spool method and it's been great.
When I say the pencil method I don't actually use a pencil, I do it like this
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This is why braid is the way. Better abrasion, zero stretch and you can load it any way you want.
In reply to Post #21
This is why braid is the way. Better abrasion, zero stretch and you can load it any way you want.
Except for when it's banned
@ Tinhead, when I got my Infinity xbr I'm sure it said in the instructions to load the line with the spool lying flat on the floor, line coming off anti clockwise and I've always done it that way even before from memory, I used to stick a bank stick inner through the line spool and use my feet to apply pressure for loading.
I saw lots of comments about line twist and XT, I watched Matt Eaton (Gardner HD) & Dave Ellyatt (ESP Syncro) vids and I seem to remember a contradiction or something that made me Q , so thought I'd ask Gardner. Chris kindly replied and also said that some of the reviewers with line twist had said they'd loaded it differently to advised. A quote from Chris which I'm sure he'll be fine with
Only one way to load line correctly with all reels except Mitchells ( bale arm rotates clockwise on them) Bulk spool on the floor flat Make sure the line is peeling from the spool in an anti clockwise direction as your balearms rotate this way This will eliminate any possibilities of adding extra twists to your spool A great tip is to soak your bulk spool in relatively warm water for half an hour before loading Loading any other way ie rotating bulk spool or even worse spool wrong way up will add twist not take it away
EDIT, I swapped out Leon Bartropps name above as it wasn't him, it was Matt Eaton as I was also considering Gardner HD at the time. The contradiction that made me Q, Matt Eaton had the line coming off the spool clockwise rotation, Dave Ellyatt was anti clockwise, I'll edit some pics in a min. EDIT 2, if you've already read my post, I e-mailed Paul but it was Chris who replied.
This is why braid is the way. Better abrasion, zero stretch and you can load it any way you want.
Except for when it's banned
@ Tinhead, when I got my Infinity xbr I'm sure it said in the instructions to load the line with the spool lying flat on the floor, line coming off anti clockwise and I've always done it that way even before from memory, I used to stick a bank stick inner through the line spool and use my feet to apply pressure for loading.
I saw lots of comments about line twist and XT, I watched Matt Eaton (Gardner HD) & Dave Ellyatt (ESP Syncro) vids and I seem to remember a contradiction or something that made me Q , so thought I'd ask Gardner. Chris kindly replied and also said that some of the reviewers with line twist had said they'd loaded it differently to advised. A quote from Chris which I'm sure he'll be fine with
Only one way to load line correctly with all reels except Mitchells ( bale arm rotates clockwise on them) Bulk spool on the floor flat Make sure the line is peeling from the spool in an anti clockwise direction as your balearms rotate this way This will eliminate any possibilities of adding extra twists to your spool A great tip is to soak your bulk spool in relatively warm water for half an hour before loading Loading any other way ie rotating bulk spool or even worse spool wrong way up will add twist not take it away
EDIT, I swapped out Leon Bartropps name above as it wasn't him, it was Matt Eaton as I was also considering Gardner HD at the time. The contradiction that made me Q, Matt Eaton had the line coming off the spool clockwise rotation, Dave Ellyatt was anti clockwise, I'll edit some pics in a min. EDIT 2, if you've already read my post, I e-mailed Paul but it was Chris who replied.
In reply to Post #22
Both of those methods rely on the spool with the new line spinning in water.
It's this method that I think causes problems.
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A method that was promoted in the last 20 years or so?
And a method that I think causes problems.
No doubt someone will disagree with me so and so the debate will continue
Both of those methods rely on the spool with the new line spinning in water.
It's this method that I think causes problems.
LINK
A method that was promoted in the last 20 years or so?
And a method that I think causes problems.
No doubt someone will disagree with me so and so the debate will continue
In reply to Post #23
Both of those methods rely on the spool with the new line spinning in water.
No they don't**....lol...as I posted before
when I got my Infinity xbr I'm sure it said in the instructions to load the line with the spool lying flat on the floor, line coming off anti clockwise and I've always done it that way even before from memory, I used to stick a bank stick inner through the line spool and use my feet to apply pressure for loading.
In fact for 20+ years water's never been involved when I spool up, I've only done it the last 2 respools, with Shimano Technium and XT and tbh, I've noticed very little difference.
EDIT ** that's just the way they do it.
Both of those methods rely on the spool with the new line spinning in water.
No they don't**....lol...as I posted before
when I got my Infinity xbr I'm sure it said in the instructions to load the line with the spool lying flat on the floor, line coming off anti clockwise and I've always done it that way even before from memory, I used to stick a bank stick inner through the line spool and use my feet to apply pressure for loading.
In fact for 20+ years water's never been involved when I spool up, I've only done it the last 2 respools, with Shimano Technium and XT and tbh, I've noticed very little difference.
EDIT ** that's just the way they do it.
load it on the spools which way suits best for yourself, get yourself to a big open field,walk your lines out, reel in under tension,job done,and repeat if starts getting lively or coily.
In reply to Post #25
Spin Doctors wre all the rage way back when
Spin Doctors wre all the rage way back when
In reply to Post #26
I didn't get on with them either, just walk the lines out works really well...although I did have an incident with a dog once that I wasn't expecting to be on the field at 0400 after I'd finished nights!!!
I didn't get on with them either, just walk the lines out works really well...although I did have an incident with a dog once that I wasn't expecting to be on the field at 0400 after I'd finished nights!!!
whatever you do, DO NOT load line onto your reels with the spool face up / face down.
it should always be spinning & never coiling off.
manufacturers load the line onto spool with no twist (spinning) & that is how it should come off so that when you load it onto your spool, the bailarm loads it on with a twist for each rotation. when you open the bailarm & cast out, this twist is then 'released / reversed' as the line comes off spool so anything going through your rings has no twist.
the spool facing up / down technique is faux science & completely wrong - I am amazed that companies still advise this - especially gardner as I had a lengthy conversation with Richard Gardner about it over 20 years ago where he tested it & agreed with me.
not only does the spool up twist principle not work but if your reel spool circumference is larger / smaller than the spool your line comes on, you will end up with even more twist - they increase / decrease in size as the line is loaded too. the spool up / down method implies the line is stored on your spool with no twist but seems to forget that a twist is added as it comes off.
it doesn't matter that any companies say - it is one of those stupid bits of advice that has now become a 'fact'. spinning spools - pencil / bankstick / bucket of water & a cloth are all you need.
it should always be spinning & never coiling off.
manufacturers load the line onto spool with no twist (spinning) & that is how it should come off so that when you load it onto your spool, the bailarm loads it on with a twist for each rotation. when you open the bailarm & cast out, this twist is then 'released / reversed' as the line comes off spool so anything going through your rings has no twist.
the spool facing up / down technique is faux science & completely wrong - I am amazed that companies still advise this - especially gardner as I had a lengthy conversation with Richard Gardner about it over 20 years ago where he tested it & agreed with me.
not only does the spool up twist principle not work but if your reel spool circumference is larger / smaller than the spool your line comes on, you will end up with even more twist - they increase / decrease in size as the line is loaded too. the spool up / down method implies the line is stored on your spool with no twist but seems to forget that a twist is added as it comes off.
it doesn't matter that any companies say - it is one of those stupid bits of advice that has now become a 'fact'. spinning spools - pencil / bankstick / bucket of water & a cloth are all you need.
In reply to Post #7
I had exactly the same with the XT in 12lb. Loaded my spools exactly as per the ESP video (which is how I load them anyway, using a cereal container with warm water in). Coiled and twisted all over the place off the spools when slack, and a weekends fishing with it didn't seem to improve it much.
Never had an issue with CM90 or Technium.
I had exactly the same with the XT in 12lb. Loaded my spools exactly as per the ESP video (which is how I load them anyway, using a cereal container with warm water in). Coiled and twisted all over the place off the spools when slack, and a weekends fishing with it didn't seem to improve it much.
Never had an issue with CM90 or Technium.