In reply to Post #15
I guess the other thing to bear in mind is the amount of use it's going to get. For a home roller who's making himself 20kg a month it would probably take years to have an effect. But for people turning out larger volumes they might need to be a little more careful to prolong the life of the gun.
One things for sure. Having owned one of these, even if I was just rolling for myself at home I could never go back to using a Gardner hand gun. These orange guns were a revelation when I first got mine. Not only on saving my forearm but also on the consistency in f the extrusion. You get far less misshapes and wastage.
I guess the other thing to bear in mind is the amount of use it's going to get. For a home roller who's making himself 20kg a month it would probably take years to have an effect. But for people turning out larger volumes they might need to be a little more careful to prolong the life of the gun.
One things for sure. Having owned one of these, even if I was just rolling for myself at home I could never go back to using a Gardner hand gun. These orange guns were a revelation when I first got mine. Not only on saving my forearm but also on the consistency in f the extrusion. You get far less misshapes and wastage.
In reply to Post #16
The deluxe metal tubed Cox hand powered gun from Gardner is £69.99 at Johnson Ross if you google. Break your ****ing arm trying to gun out a kilo like everyone did for twenty five years. The other option was a noisy compressor. Fine in a unit/garage or the shed. Not fine in the house with er indoors or the neighbours.
That orange gun in the photo I paid a tenner more for. £80 I think it was. They are even cheaper on eBay now. Baitman's link they were like £70
That one gun in the photo has made me a lot of money using it all day, everyday in a work environment.
For a home roller, they are simply the best thing ever since sliced bread.
They are far better than my old Milwaukee caulking gun. Monstrously better than the £369 cox lithium equivalent. Even if we broke one every couple of months at work, I would still purchase more. But we can't break them.
We broke a £369 Cox equivalent, inside five minutes literally.
The deluxe metal tubed Cox hand powered gun from Gardner is £69.99 at Johnson Ross if you google. Break your ****ing arm trying to gun out a kilo like everyone did for twenty five years. The other option was a noisy compressor. Fine in a unit/garage or the shed. Not fine in the house with er indoors or the neighbours.
That orange gun in the photo I paid a tenner more for. £80 I think it was. They are even cheaper on eBay now. Baitman's link they were like £70
That one gun in the photo has made me a lot of money using it all day, everyday in a work environment.
For a home roller, they are simply the best thing ever since sliced bread.
They are far better than my old Milwaukee caulking gun. Monstrously better than the £369 cox lithium equivalent. Even if we broke one every couple of months at work, I would still purchase more. But we can't break them.
We broke a £369 Cox equivalent, inside five minutes literally.
The top photo is the Cox lithium.
The bottom photo is my original Milwaukee. I had to adapt that myself. That was always kept top secret and never shown to anyone haha.
As you can see Baitman, that was able to use the plastic collars and your nozzle insert. No problem for many, many years. That's why I put the same attachments straight onto the orange gun the moment I got it. The Cox gun comes with plastic attachments and a flimsy plastic tube too.
The orange Chinese gun you have, has far more torque than both of those two though. If you look at a witches hat, it has no flat surface to receive the pressure of the gun. The insert nozzles do have a flat surface to collect that pressure, that's why they eventually go with a bang I think.
The bottom photo is my original Milwaukee. I had to adapt that myself. That was always kept top secret and never shown to anyone haha.
As you can see Baitman, that was able to use the plastic collars and your nozzle insert. No problem for many, many years. That's why I put the same attachments straight onto the orange gun the moment I got it. The Cox gun comes with plastic attachments and a flimsy plastic tube too.
The orange Chinese gun you have, has far more torque than both of those two though. If you look at a witches hat, it has no flat surface to receive the pressure of the gun. The insert nozzles do have a flat surface to collect that pressure, that's why they eventually go with a bang I think.
In reply to Post #18
Until I move house and get a bait shed, I'm only planning on rolling for myself, if I get to the point where I wanna do more than 10kg a month I would get a 2kg air gun set up.. but for winter evenings doing 2kg a time the roughneck manual gun I have is on its limits of use (correction my wrist is )..;so thinking I could try up rating the collars etc.. retrofitting but one of the Chinese guns looks on cards
Until I move house and get a bait shed, I'm only planning on rolling for myself, if I get to the point where I wanna do more than 10kg a month I would get a 2kg air gun set up.. but for winter evenings doing 2kg a time the roughneck manual gun I have is on its limits of use (correction my wrist is )..;so thinking I could try up rating the collars etc.. retrofitting but one of the Chinese guns looks on cards
In reply to Post #18
I do use the witches hats when doing a bigger mix.
I only use the Gardner insert when doing smaller quantities.
I only have the pressure set at about half way as that's powerful enough.
I do use the witches hats when doing a bigger mix.
I only use the Gardner insert when doing smaller quantities.
I only have the pressure set at about half way as that's powerful enough.
In reply to Post #20
Gardner insert vs witches hat
Why is one better than the other?
Gardner insert vs witches hat
Why is one better than the other?
In reply to Post #21
If I'm only doing a one or two egger then so much is left in the witches hat that I have to then hand roll into a sausage to then roll out.
The Gardner nozzles don't trap so much paste at the end of the gun.
The Gardner also allows me to slot in a smaller nozzle to do some dumbells.
If I'm doing a 6-12 egger then I'd use the witches hat nozzles.
I only have very limited work top space so I can't gun out too much in one push.
If I'm only doing a one or two egger then so much is left in the witches hat that I have to then hand roll into a sausage to then roll out.
The Gardner nozzles don't trap so much paste at the end of the gun.
The Gardner also allows me to slot in a smaller nozzle to do some dumbells.
If I'm doing a 6-12 egger then I'd use the witches hat nozzles.
I only have very limited work top space so I can't gun out too much in one push.
In reply to Post #22
In reply to Post #20
Honestly, I am not preaching to you. I used exactly what you are using, for similar reasons until I learned different, the hard way. I continued after the first one blew up too, and got more. I have a small bag of plastic Cox/Gardner bits if you want them. Multiple inserts and collars all brand new. When the second nozzle insert blew up, it was clear to me they can't be used on that gun without playing Russian roulette.
I am really talking to everyone else now anyway, but I am so glad you posted your photo and we are speaking about it, because it puts that important information 'out there'. I am just making it crystal clear for anyone reading this that purchased/s an orange gun off my recommendation, I'd strongly recommend don't under any circumstances put your Cox plastic collars or those plastic Gardner nozzle inserts from your handguns on it. Only because it's really dangerous when they eventually blow up. If someone cops it when it blows, it will hurt someone very badly indeed. Because I posted the gun up in the first place, it is kinda imperative that I make that really clear. I smashed a couple of plates and put a big dent in the wall. Not much. It could have been fatal if it had hit anyone in the head, both times the insert holder blew up. They seperate at the base of the insert. A weightly lump of ABS plastic comes off the end of the gun at a crazy speed. The plastic collar was not so bad, but still went with a real bang. The gun comes with metal collars and witches hats. Extra witches hats are 3 for a fiver on fleabay delivered. Or as Dickweed mentioned, Screwfix. They are all a standard size which fits the gun.
Honestly, I am not preaching to you. I used exactly what you are using, for similar reasons until I learned different, the hard way. I continued after the first one blew up too, and got more. I have a small bag of plastic Cox/Gardner bits if you want them. Multiple inserts and collars all brand new. When the second nozzle insert blew up, it was clear to me they can't be used on that gun without playing Russian roulette.
I am really talking to everyone else now anyway, but I am so glad you posted your photo and we are speaking about it, because it puts that important information 'out there'. I am just making it crystal clear for anyone reading this that purchased/s an orange gun off my recommendation, I'd strongly recommend don't under any circumstances put your Cox plastic collars or those plastic Gardner nozzle inserts from your handguns on it. Only because it's really dangerous when they eventually blow up. If someone cops it when it blows, it will hurt someone very badly indeed. Because I posted the gun up in the first place, it is kinda imperative that I make that really clear. I smashed a couple of plates and put a big dent in the wall. Not much. It could have been fatal if it had hit anyone in the head, both times the insert holder blew up. They seperate at the base of the insert. A weightly lump of ABS plastic comes off the end of the gun at a crazy speed. The plastic collar was not so bad, but still went with a real bang. The gun comes with metal collars and witches hats. Extra witches hats are 3 for a fiver on fleabay delivered. Or as Dickweed mentioned, Screwfix. They are all a standard size which fits the gun.