In reply to Post #14
If the guy selling it says it's decent it must be.
If the guy selling it says it's decent it must be.
In reply to Post #14
Genuine question.. How do rollers know a bait is “quality” etc? Do they blend the ingredients to make a base mix then add eggs/additives etc then roll it or do they get the base mix/additives and mix with liquids and roll?
I'm only curious because it as always been the way that “a mate rolled for them” “I've contract rolled for so and so” and it was good gear etc.
Genuinely interested because in 30 odd years of making bait, I can't tell you the precise make up of a base mix by looking at it or rolling it. Sure I know if it contains bird food/ fish meals/milks but not the quality or quantities of each, thus I've no idea if it's brilliant or been cut...
PS This is not aimed at Baitcraft btw
Genuine question.. How do rollers know a bait is “quality” etc? Do they blend the ingredients to make a base mix then add eggs/additives etc then roll it or do they get the base mix/additives and mix with liquids and roll?
I'm only curious because it as always been the way that “a mate rolled for them” “I've contract rolled for so and so” and it was good gear etc.
Genuinely interested because in 30 odd years of making bait, I can't tell you the precise make up of a base mix by looking at it or rolling it. Sure I know if it contains bird food/ fish meals/milks but not the quality or quantities of each, thus I've no idea if it's brilliant or been cut...
PS This is not aimed at Baitcraft btw
In reply to Post #15
Plus..... is Mark in there every day?
It's like our audits - we're perfect on the day, complete rat**** for the next 100 until the next audit
Plus..... is Mark in there every day?
It's like our audits - we're perfect on the day, complete rat**** for the next 100 until the next audit
In reply to Post #17
Being nutritionally superior and being a better bait aren't the same thing either. Kale and cous cous is better for me than bbq ribs but I know which I'd eat first.
Everyone knocks cell but it's going to be a long time before anything but a sticky bait catches comparable numbers
Being nutritionally superior and being a better bait aren't the same thing either. Kale and cous cous is better for me than bbq ribs but I know which I'd eat first.
Everyone knocks cell but it's going to be a long time before anything but a sticky bait catches comparable numbers
In reply to Post #19
Totally agree, but thats mainly because ‘most' people use Cell or sticky Krill, so more fish will get caught on them
Totally agree, but thats mainly because ‘most' people use Cell or sticky Krill, so more fish will get caught on them
In reply to Post #20
Been on many lakes where cell catches 80% of the fish but then there was 80% using it so it was always gunna say that
Been on many lakes where cell catches 80% of the fish but then there was 80% using it so it was always gunna say that
In reply to Post #20
That's true. But had it not caught from the off those people wouldn't use it.
It outfished B5, black snail, krill, Atlantic heat, scopex squid, green beast and others when I used it. They're all regarded as ‘better' I'm sure. Only as feed in my case because as a bait they weren't.
And don't anyone lie and say you'd rather sit around smelling of monster crab or butyric acid for days on end either
That's true. But had it not caught from the off those people wouldn't use it.
It outfished B5, black snail, krill, Atlantic heat, scopex squid, green beast and others when I used it. They're all regarded as ‘better' I'm sure. Only as feed in my case because as a bait they weren't.
And don't anyone lie and say you'd rather sit around smelling of monster crab or butyric acid for days on end either
In reply to Post #22
If I'm going for a “one off” trip, I always take a kilo or so of Cell.
The best bait to use is one fish want to eat, not the most complete source of nutrition - although a bait with brocacel / cellimax in it cant be that bad for them.....
If I'm going for a “one off” trip, I always take a kilo or so of Cell.
The best bait to use is one fish want to eat, not the most complete source of nutrition - although a bait with brocacel / cellimax in it cant be that bad for them.....
I asked about Baircraft and somehow we are now talking about Mainline Cell... got to love this forum! 
In reply to Post #24
Well the company owner and his mate say it's good but everyone else wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
The cell reference was regarding a bait being supposedly poor according to bait buffs but it catches loads and loads of fish. The moral of the story is don't believe a word you read in this section
Well the company owner and his mate say it's good but everyone else wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
The cell reference was regarding a bait being supposedly poor according to bait buffs but it catches loads and loads of fish. The moral of the story is don't believe a word you read in this section
In reply to Post #24
In reply to Post #25
In reply to Post #17
Both happen, people supply mix, others supply a recipe, others approach them and ask them to come up with a recipe, same with all contract rollers.
With regards to the powder mix it's very difficult to tell the dominant ingredients by anything other than taste, when it's made into paste however some ingredients behave is pretty specific ways so you can definately tell which are high in for example fishmeal, or dyes, semo, soy, crumb etc
You can also tell by how it cooks, how quickly it firms up, if it warps, how much it washes out.
Then there is less obvious ways of telling, how it rolls, the final cut sausage diameter ( high gluten baits swell at bit before rolling ) loads of ways really. You can then make an educated guess based on experience of using the mix and what a described mix SHOULD be like.
Both happen, people supply mix, others supply a recipe, others approach them and ask them to come up with a recipe, same with all contract rollers.
With regards to the powder mix it's very difficult to tell the dominant ingredients by anything other than taste, when it's made into paste however some ingredients behave is pretty specific ways so you can definately tell which are high in for example fishmeal, or dyes, semo, soy, crumb etc
You can also tell by how it cooks, how quickly it firms up, if it warps, how much it washes out.
Then there is less obvious ways of telling, how it rolls, the final cut sausage diameter ( high gluten baits swell at bit before rolling ) loads of ways really. You can then make an educated guess based on experience of using the mix and what a described mix SHOULD be like.
In reply to Post #15
Don't shoot the messenger 😂
I think the question needs to be asked “was it ever a 13 quid bait?”.
Also I'm sure it wasn't 13 quid in bulk.
Itll be priced up between the new owner and said rolling company, who buy everything by the multiple ton unlike mark who bought a lot less. You plus I know that factory to be mega efficient.
Who knows what the profit margin is, the more you sell arguable the less that needs to be?
Don't shoot the messenger 😂
I think the question needs to be asked “was it ever a 13 quid bait?”.
Also I'm sure it wasn't 13 quid in bulk.
Itll be priced up between the new owner and said rolling company, who buy everything by the multiple ton unlike mark who bought a lot less. You plus I know that factory to be mega efficient.
Who knows what the profit margin is, the more you sell arguable the less that needs to be?
In reply to Post #18
Deffo not the case with this company. Far too many clients to cut corners. They will roll whatever is agreed.
I feel the need to repeat myself before anyone says a bait craft lover - I'm not, I'm just inputting objectively. I hope.
Deffo not the case with this company. Far too many clients to cut corners. They will roll whatever is agreed.
I feel the need to repeat myself before anyone says a bait craft lover - I'm not, I'm just inputting objectively. I hope.