In reply to Post #14
Yes., there is only small carp in there really not a lot of them and rather tricky to catch - so still quite annoying.
Yes., there is only small carp in there really not a lot of them and rather tricky to catch - so still quite annoying.
In reply to Post #15
Only one way to find out buddy.
Only one way to find out buddy.
In reply to Post #17
Aye, tis for sure.
Thanks all.
Aye, tis for sure.
Thanks all.
In reply to Post #14
Some mileage in that.
I use it depending on the water. Fished it a couple of years ago on a water that contained old fish up to around 20lb that have small mouths, lost a couple, hook pulls. I was fishing Fluro booms over blanket weed, couple this with fish that did not seem to know what a hook was, didn't bolt, just beeps and I lost them. I know a lot of people fish them on a more flexible boom, I just changed rigs. got to be how the rig sits in the mouth or does not enter properly for me
Some mileage in that.
I use it depending on the water. Fished it a couple of years ago on a water that contained old fish up to around 20lb that have small mouths, lost a couple, hook pulls. I was fishing Fluro booms over blanket weed, couple this with fish that did not seem to know what a hook was, didn't bolt, just beeps and I lost them. I know a lot of people fish them on a more flexible boom, I just changed rigs. got to be how the rig sits in the mouth or does not enter properly for me
In reply to Post #19
Who knows, someone caught a little stocky the other day on a HSR that was nailed that made me think that it was either just lucky or that I was doing something wrong - probably both.
Anyway, they are starting to feed a little now so ill be wanging out bottom baits for the foreseeable.
Who knows, someone caught a little stocky the other day on a HSR that was nailed that made me think that it was either just lucky or that I was doing something wrong - probably both.
Anyway, they are starting to feed a little now so ill be wanging out bottom baits for the foreseeable.
In reply to Post #20
Personally I think that the smaller the carp in size, and their ratio of feeding experience/skull size/eyes/mouth, and depth of water, have a effect of the feeding habits. Better to use a standard bottom bait, or a low pop up on a multi rig.
A big carp is more experienced at feeding, has a bigger skull/eye blind spot/mouth area and most of the time, less rushed or clumsy feeders.
What I mean is when you can watch a small carp tip and drop to feed, a 3 or 4 inch (bottom of swivel to top of pop up) can come up to their eyes or higher when they are clumsy, or miss it repeatedly, the pop up movement or wafting about, can cause them to suss it out. Same thing with carp with dodgy mouths.
I had fished a clear venue with a 4 to 5 foot deep margin shelf spot going with 7 upper singles/low doubles visiting a spot, watched them eat every freebie around my pair of wonder 3 to 4” blatant HSRs.
Moved both rods to different spots along the margin. Same result
A bog standard knotless knot on a 6” white cortland micron hook link and a out of the bag 15mm bottom bait tripping one up, I watched it pick the hookbait up.
As I found out... Don't be a slave to fashionable, or Xmas tree rigs with smaller carp, sometimes simple, is best.
Bear that in mind.
Personally I think that the smaller the carp in size, and their ratio of feeding experience/skull size/eyes/mouth, and depth of water, have a effect of the feeding habits. Better to use a standard bottom bait, or a low pop up on a multi rig.
A big carp is more experienced at feeding, has a bigger skull/eye blind spot/mouth area and most of the time, less rushed or clumsy feeders.
What I mean is when you can watch a small carp tip and drop to feed, a 3 or 4 inch (bottom of swivel to top of pop up) can come up to their eyes or higher when they are clumsy, or miss it repeatedly, the pop up movement or wafting about, can cause them to suss it out. Same thing with carp with dodgy mouths.
I had fished a clear venue with a 4 to 5 foot deep margin shelf spot going with 7 upper singles/low doubles visiting a spot, watched them eat every freebie around my pair of wonder 3 to 4” blatant HSRs.
Moved both rods to different spots along the margin. Same result
A bog standard knotless knot on a 6” white cortland micron hook link and a out of the bag 15mm bottom bait tripping one up, I watched it pick the hookbait up.
As I found out... Don't be a slave to fashionable, or Xmas tree rigs with smaller carp, sometimes simple, is best.
Bear that in mind.
In reply to Post #21
Agree on all counts, thanks for the input.
Agree on all counts, thanks for the input.
In reply to Post #1
In my experience the HSR is one of the most reliable rigs. The mechanics naturally encourage centre bottom lip hook holds. The size of the carp possibly makes a difference, it's a big fish rig, that's for sure, but I've caught plenty of smaller fish too. For me it's important that the rig can spin freely under the bait. The curve in the stiff filament should be such that the rig will always spin no matter which angle the fish approaches. If you hold the bait between thump and forefinger the rig should freely spin under it without coming into contact with the bait. If it doesn't spin freely this is possibly your problem.
In my experience the HSR is one of the most reliable rigs. The mechanics naturally encourage centre bottom lip hook holds. The size of the carp possibly makes a difference, it's a big fish rig, that's for sure, but I've caught plenty of smaller fish too. For me it's important that the rig can spin freely under the bait. The curve in the stiff filament should be such that the rig will always spin no matter which angle the fish approaches. If you hold the bait between thump and forefinger the rig should freely spin under it without coming into contact with the bait. If it doesn't spin freely this is possibly your problem.
In reply to Post #1
Lengthen the boom by an inch and swap it to Tungskin. Size 4 hook and a max of 1.5 inch 20 lb stiff flouro for the stiff section
Lengthen the boom by an inch and swap it to Tungskin. Size 4 hook and a max of 1.5 inch 20 lb stiff flouro for the stiff section
In reply to Post #11
Also pm'd
Also pm'd
In reply to Post #23
Having a mare lads, dropped another this afternoon on my old, supposedly reliable rig.
Same bait, same spot - fish took off kited left a couple of rod lengths and when I picked up the rod nothing.
Im going to lengthen the hooklink by an inch, if that fails then im blaming it on the little catfish!
Having a mare lads, dropped another this afternoon on my old, supposedly reliable rig.
Same bait, same spot - fish took off kited left a couple of rod lengths and when I picked up the rod nothing.
Im going to lengthen the hooklink by an inch, if that fails then im blaming it on the little catfish!
In reply to Post #26
When you say moved left, has your actual lead and rig been moved quite a way from your original spot, as in something definitely picked it up, moved the rig and dropped it / you lost it, Otherwise it could be liners?
You really need to be able to feel the fish to make judgement on whether it was a hookpull
When you say moved left, has your actual lead and rig been moved quite a way from your original spot, as in something definitely picked it up, moved the rig and dropped it / you lost it, Otherwise it could be liners?
You really need to be able to feel the fish to make judgement on whether it was a hookpull
In reply to Post #27
First one pulled into fish, it moved left then fell off - felt the fish. HSR
Second, different spot, drop back then slight forward movement, pulled into fish, felt the fish, 10 secs or so and it was off - HSR
Third, same spot as fist, it moved everything left, lead and all a good two rod lengths (with little indication - bow in line, wind, slack lines I reckon) didn't feel a thing then off. Multi type rig
First one pulled into fish, it moved left then fell off - felt the fish. HSR
Second, different spot, drop back then slight forward movement, pulled into fish, felt the fish, 10 secs or so and it was off - HSR
Third, same spot as fist, it moved everything left, lead and all a good two rod lengths (with little indication - bow in line, wind, slack lines I reckon) didn't feel a thing then off. Multi type rig
In reply to Post #28
I experienced similar last year using the hsr and I put it down to the smaller stockies getting foul hooked , blistering takes and pretty much lift into nothing, I think they get hooked in the pec ... I should go on to add that same session same rigs I landed some fairly impressive fish . The hsr has been my go to.rig for 95% of my angling in the last 10 years
I experienced similar last year using the hsr and I put it down to the smaller stockies getting foul hooked , blistering takes and pretty much lift into nothing, I think they get hooked in the pec ... I should go on to add that same session same rigs I landed some fairly impressive fish . The hsr has been my go to.rig for 95% of my angling in the last 10 years
In reply to Post #29
Id guess that its fish getting fouled as they grub around on the bottom too.
Increase the curve on the hook section so its almost a withy curve to mask the hook point more, it will still hook if taken in but much more likely to bounce away from a greedy stocky.
Maybe fish a bottom bait.
Id guess that its fish getting fouled as they grub around on the bottom too.
Increase the curve on the hook section so its almost a withy curve to mask the hook point more, it will still hook if taken in but much more likely to bounce away from a greedy stocky.
Maybe fish a bottom bait.