In reply to Post #14
Precisely mate, I'm still upgrading my rolling set up and getting stocked up on ingredients, to start a hookbait making buisness but unlike a lot of the other small companies I see doing it(fbook is the worst for it atm) nine will be more than just overflavoured balls of dye and pop up mix
Precisely mate, I'm still upgrading my rolling set up and getting stocked up on ingredients, to start a hookbait making buisness but unlike a lot of the other small companies I see doing it(fbook is the worst for it atm) nine will be more than just overflavoured balls of dye and pop up mix
In reply to Post #15
Pop ups in the past were made out of inedible non attractive materials then coated with flavour. I never did very well on that type of bait personally. These days technology has moved on and we can now make hookbaits loaded with food items that could be eaten. The ratio of 95 percent non edible to 5 percent edible means you are fishing with a visible lure but not much else. We can now reverse that ratio. The pop ups produced by most companies today are still very poor and have very little attraction hence why goo is so popular! But if you dig around there are some very clever hookbaits out there
Pop ups in the past were made out of inedible non attractive materials then coated with flavour. I never did very well on that type of bait personally. These days technology has moved on and we can now make hookbaits loaded with food items that could be eaten. The ratio of 95 percent non edible to 5 percent edible means you are fishing with a visible lure but not much else. We can now reverse that ratio. The pop ups produced by most companies today are still very poor and have very little attraction hence why goo is so popular! But if you dig around there are some very clever hookbaits out there
In reply to Post #17
Most are made from completely non edible pop up mix, yes it's possible to make them with other light ingredients but is it really cost effective??
Most are made from completely non edible pop up mix, yes it's possible to make them with other light ingredients but is it really cost effective??
In reply to Post #18
You could make it from HiNuVal and still make a killing. How many 14mm baits do you get from a kilo? 20 odd baits to a tub, £10 a tub (as they are extra special)......
You could make it from HiNuVal and still make a killing. How many 14mm baits do you get from a kilo? 20 odd baits to a tub, £10 a tub (as they are extra special)......
I always make pop up with the same mix I do the bottom baits and freebies, just after done the baits I use the remaining paste and wrap it around cork ball, then steam it and let it air dry. Those are the most successful pop up I ever used, just because they match the other baits. Obviously, they don't remain days on end on the rig as the commercial ones in waiting for a carp, but IMHO they are better, or at least, I caught more on it.
In the past I messed with pop up mix, plain or cut with the mix used for freebies, the best I found was been the old nutrabaits, those we need to cook with a fryer pan... I would be really curious to know what's the original recipe was.
In the past I messed with pop up mix, plain or cut with the mix used for freebies, the best I found was been the old nutrabaits, those we need to cook with a fryer pan... I would be really curious to know what's the original recipe was.
In reply to Post #19
No one will pay £10 a tub for 20 baits mate people moan about ccmoore tubs being half empty but still contain 30-40 baits lol,
I have been put in touch with someone who has shown me how to do it
No one will pay £10 a tub for 20 baits mate people moan about ccmoore tubs being half empty but still contain 30-40 baits lol,
I have been put in touch with someone who has shown me how to do it
In reply to Post #21
Ive seen pots of corkballs going for 18.50 and im pretty sure theres only 30 or so in there. Frankly its amazing what people pay for hookbaits myself included but then its fun to experiment and mess around. Like most say , any hookbait would probably ddo but we try our hardest.
Ive seen pots of corkballs going for 18.50 and im pretty sure theres only 30 or so in there. Frankly its amazing what people pay for hookbaits myself included but then its fun to experiment and mess around. Like most say , any hookbait would probably ddo but we try our hardest.
In reply to Post #21
But if you charge £6 for 30, they cant be special enough can they?
Personally wouldn't use a hookbait that costs less than 50p each.......
But if you charge £6 for 30, they cant be special enough can they?
Personally wouldn't use a hookbait that costs less than 50p each.......
In reply to Post #22
Cork balls are made by hand, you are paying for someone's time to knock up a good attractive basemix then make it stick to a cork ball. It's very time consuming just ask anyone who makes them. I do not begrudge 15-20 quid to someone who can actually do a good job on cork balls. Again we make them and it's an awkward job. In fact making decent hookbaits in general is way more complicated than people think, but I'm not just talking about pop up mix and 10 mil of flavour added 😉
Cork balls are made by hand, you are paying for someone's time to knock up a good attractive basemix then make it stick to a cork ball. It's very time consuming just ask anyone who makes them. I do not begrudge 15-20 quid to someone who can actually do a good job on cork balls. Again we make them and it's an awkward job. In fact making decent hookbaits in general is way more complicated than people think, but I'm not just talking about pop up mix and 10 mil of flavour added 😉
Well that's opened my eyes chaps as this is exactly gonna be part of the buisness is people can customise their mixes, essential oils, feed stimulants, amino's etc which I was gonna charge £6 a tub for but think that might go up
In reply to Post #23
Mine are £6 for 30 pop ups and I can assure you a lot goes into them. In fact at that price I'm not actually making a lot on a tub, obviously that £6 includes buying tubs, lids and having the labels printed, plus buying all the ingredients. My time is basically free. Put it this way at £6 a tub I won't be retiring any time soon, but it's a little interesting hobby business for me. My plumbing and heating business pays the bills. So just cos something isn't £18 a tub it doesn't mean it's crap.
Mine are £6 for 30 pop ups and I can assure you a lot goes into them. In fact at that price I'm not actually making a lot on a tub, obviously that £6 includes buying tubs, lids and having the labels printed, plus buying all the ingredients. My time is basically free. Put it this way at £6 a tub I won't be retiring any time soon, but it's a little interesting hobby business for me. My plumbing and heating business pays the bills. So just cos something isn't £18 a tub it doesn't mean it's crap.
In reply to Post #26
I don't think he was referring to you mate
I don't think he was referring to you mate
In reply to Post #26
Will give you an example
Mix one -
BAF pop up mix
Blend of 4 flavours
Sweetner
2 stimulant powders
3 liquid amino acids
1 feed inducer
Dye
Mix two -
BAF pop up mix
1 flavour
Sweetner
Dye
Are those going to be the same price?? No everything has to be costed and factored in, like you I'm not doing it to make loads so I can retire lol I'm doing it as a) I love making hookbaits/mixes/flavour blends etc
And b) it will help pay off my mortgage a tiny bit faster haha
Will give you an example
Mix one -
BAF pop up mix
Blend of 4 flavours
Sweetner
2 stimulant powders
3 liquid amino acids
1 feed inducer
Dye
Mix two -
BAF pop up mix
1 flavour
Sweetner
Dye
Are those going to be the same price?? No everything has to be costed and factored in, like you I'm not doing it to make loads so I can retire lol I'm doing it as a) I love making hookbaits/mixes/flavour blends etc
And b) it will help pay off my mortgage a tiny bit faster haha
In reply to Post #28
Ive been taking the piss on the thread, but seriously - you want to start a business when you don't actually know how to put a bait together? How are you going to market this when you've got no history in hook baits (Show us your albums (C) Premier baits, 1985) What makes your baits different to the other companies that will roll corkballs from base mix? If you cant come up with a good reason/album full of lumps/USP then the only thing you can compete on is price, and that becomes a race to the bottom. Which wont pay the mortgage off quicker......
You may have to start off giving them to friends/people on local lakes and build it from there. For a lot of people, its a hobby, rather than a living.
Ive been taking the piss on the thread, but seriously - you want to start a business when you don't actually know how to put a bait together? How are you going to market this when you've got no history in hook baits (Show us your albums (C) Premier baits, 1985) What makes your baits different to the other companies that will roll corkballs from base mix? If you cant come up with a good reason/album full of lumps/USP then the only thing you can compete on is price, and that becomes a race to the bottom. Which wont pay the mortgage off quicker......
You may have to start off giving them to friends/people on local lakes and build it from there. For a lot of people, its a hobby, rather than a living.
In reply to Post #29
Well then you a bit of a w****r never said I didn't know how to put a bait together just wasn't sure of ratio to pop up mix. Honestly what was the point of that lol
Well then you a bit of a w****r never said I didn't know how to put a bait together just wasn't sure of ratio to pop up mix. Honestly what was the point of that lol