In reply to Post #12
Yes retain for a few minutes to recover, not retain for hours to take photos in the light. 2 totally different things and you know full well that's what I meant
Yes retain for a few minutes to recover, not retain for hours to take photos in the light. 2 totally different things and you know full well that's what I meant
In reply to Post #15
At the end of the day it's up to the person who makes up the rules but I don't see any problem in doing it the 'old' way.
Forcing people to retain can just create a new set of problems IMO.
At the end of the day it's up to the person who makes up the rules but I don't see any problem in doing it the 'old' way.
Forcing people to retain can just create a new set of problems IMO.
In reply to Post #17
It's not about rules for me, it's about common sense, which unfortunately we know some angler either don't have or disregard entirely
It's not about rules for me, it's about common sense, which unfortunately we know some angler either don't have or disregard entirely
Nobody has mentioned cutting the corners off the sack, a mate of mine lost a carp in a sack years ago, we looked for it everyday, even tried lure fishing to try and hook the sack, the carp just stayed down deep in the dark sack.
Ten days later we found it dead and gassed up, my mate was devastated, terrible end for a fish.... Cutting the corners off allows it to feed if a sack has to be used.
Ten days later we found it dead and gassed up, my mate was devastated, terrible end for a fish.... Cutting the corners off allows it to feed if a sack has to be used.
In reply to Post #19
few minutes is nothing, 1h is min for big carp to recover from my experience... I only replied because you said sacks have no place in carp fishing... in my opinion they are better than floating retainer... give carp a chance and 9/10 times they will go down in deeper water... not trying to argue here just stating my experience. and as I said... would not use it without float.
few minutes is nothing, 1h is min for big carp to recover from my experience... I only replied because you said sacks have no place in carp fishing... in my opinion they are better than floating retainer... give carp a chance and 9/10 times they will go down in deeper water... not trying to argue here just stating my experience. and as I said... would not use it without float.
In reply to Post #20
That's interesting john then I could catch it pre sacked 😂
On a water I fish you are asked to retain the fish to give it time
To recover, I will do this after the trophy shot , makes handling the carp easier for me
I agree the fish usually swims off and seeks refuge
I try to get the whole handling thing done ASAP
Common sense really
That's interesting john then I could catch it pre sacked 😂
On a water I fish you are asked to retain the fish to give it time
To recover, I will do this after the trophy shot , makes handling the carp easier for me
I agree the fish usually swims off and seeks refuge
I try to get the whole handling thing done ASAP
Common sense really
In reply to Post #20
An hour? Way too long in general. If they are that tired you've over played them imo. Even in 40 degree heat this summer and with fish I had to give an oxygen bath the longest it took for one to recover was about 15-20 minutes max.
An hour? Way too long in general. If they are that tired you've over played them imo. Even in 40 degree heat this summer and with fish I had to give an oxygen bath the longest it took for one to recover was about 15-20 minutes max.
In reply to Post #22
that is your experience from crystal clear water where you could follow fish how it swam of more that 10m? because mine is completely different. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
that is your experience from crystal clear water where you could follow fish how it swam of more that 10m? because mine is completely different. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
In reply to Post #23
Crystal clear waters yes. They shouldn't take that long to recover if played in in a reasonable time frame. The same with any species, you can over play them and cause a lot of harm
Crystal clear waters yes. They shouldn't take that long to recover if played in in a reasonable time frame. The same with any species, you can over play them and cause a lot of harm
In reply to Post #24
Think this highlights the stress we put on our beloved carp
Let's agree to make the capture and return swift , trouble is the older
Bigger fish get too much bank time , get your stuff organised before hand
If I feel I'm stressing the fish too much I just return it
I have a phone full of mat pics 👍🏻😂
But plenty of memories
Think this highlights the stress we put on our beloved carp
Let's agree to make the capture and return swift , trouble is the older
Bigger fish get too much bank time , get your stuff organised before hand
If I feel I'm stressing the fish too much I just return it
I have a phone full of mat pics 👍🏻😂
But plenty of memories
In reply to Post #11
There's the nail hit firmly on the head 👍
I'm not a great fan of retaining fish at all, some of the best atmospheric pics of all things dark and scaly are night shots. However, if there are valid reasons then both are equally good or bad.
I'm not a fan of retaining slings at all. Many years ago as a match angler in the early 70's the big issues being driven by the angling press was the need for longer keepnets. The reason - there was research which showed the the first couple of feet of water contained less oxygen, especially in summer conditions, therefore nets needed to be longer, and subsequently were made so.
The average retention sling is about two feet deep so a carp kept in there for an extended period is in the top layers - and not by choice. It can't drift down to a different thermocline to regulate itself. A carp in a sack can at least go deep if the water allows it.
As I said both are not ideal.
Some carpers are idiots - just mirroring society in general.
Retention slings are just like tackle labelled ‘Safe Zone' - they aren't because the operator failed to understand the context of the operators manual ( or in this case the tiny print which states why they are thus named).
Best they are not used at all, but if they have to be and are used intelligently for minimum periods I'd say a sack was better.
Now watch the **** fly.
There's the nail hit firmly on the head 👍
I'm not a great fan of retaining fish at all, some of the best atmospheric pics of all things dark and scaly are night shots. However, if there are valid reasons then both are equally good or bad.
I'm not a fan of retaining slings at all. Many years ago as a match angler in the early 70's the big issues being driven by the angling press was the need for longer keepnets. The reason - there was research which showed the the first couple of feet of water contained less oxygen, especially in summer conditions, therefore nets needed to be longer, and subsequently were made so.
The average retention sling is about two feet deep so a carp kept in there for an extended period is in the top layers - and not by choice. It can't drift down to a different thermocline to regulate itself. A carp in a sack can at least go deep if the water allows it.
As I said both are not ideal.
Some carpers are idiots - just mirroring society in general.
Retention slings are just like tackle labelled ‘Safe Zone' - they aren't because the operator failed to understand the context of the operators manual ( or in this case the tiny print which states why they are thus named).
Best they are not used at all, but if they have to be and are used intelligently for minimum periods I'd say a sack was better.
Now watch the **** fly.
In reply to Post #1
No, I haven't sacked a carp in 25 years and frankly, these days there is zero reason to do it anyway. Back in the day we sacked carp to get pictures in day light, at least that's the reason I sacked fish. Now with digital cameras and the ease of doing self takes, you just don't need to retain any fish, ever. There's also the safety issue of sacking fish. Having seen carp die as a result of being sacked, well, there another good reason to ban their use. Having said that, those fish died more as a result of the idiots who sacked fish in shallow, warm water; but therein lies the problem, idiots will and do use them. Most waters thankfully ban their use.
As to retaining fish to allow them to recover and then, photograph weigh them? That's nonsense. Whoever mandates that practice needs shooting. Do you really want the fish back on the bank full of fight? Think about that one... personally, I have them in the net, unhooked, weighed and if it's worthy, photographed - all inside a couple of minutes. Sadly, from what I see on the bank, I am in the minority... more so since people started making stupid videos of themselves
No, I haven't sacked a carp in 25 years and frankly, these days there is zero reason to do it anyway. Back in the day we sacked carp to get pictures in day light, at least that's the reason I sacked fish. Now with digital cameras and the ease of doing self takes, you just don't need to retain any fish, ever. There's also the safety issue of sacking fish. Having seen carp die as a result of being sacked, well, there another good reason to ban their use. Having said that, those fish died more as a result of the idiots who sacked fish in shallow, warm water; but therein lies the problem, idiots will and do use them. Most waters thankfully ban their use.
As to retaining fish to allow them to recover and then, photograph weigh them? That's nonsense. Whoever mandates that practice needs shooting. Do you really want the fish back on the bank full of fight? Think about that one... personally, I have them in the net, unhooked, weighed and if it's worthy, photographed - all inside a couple of minutes. Sadly, from what I see on the bank, I am in the minority... more so since people started making stupid videos of themselves
My carp sack lives in my unhooking mat/cradle, it is however used as a dog bed. If Sky has to come in the bivvy, she sleeps on it.
I have a retaining weigh sling, with metal poles and floats. The fishery rules insist on metal handled weigh slings.
I tend to keep the fish in the landing net while I position camera to do self takes. From landing net to unhooking mat, weigh, photo and return. A few minutes.
I have been asked by fishery owners to sack fish, smaller fish that were going back into a stock pond, and in one case, a fish that needed a stitch or two after somehow getting a cut down its flank.
It is rare for me to retain fish, I can do night shots if I need, although many fish just get a quick mat shot.
Last summer was not one for a sack or retainer sling either, water too warm, and the margins not deep enough for a sack anyway.
I have a retaining weigh sling, with metal poles and floats. The fishery rules insist on metal handled weigh slings.
I tend to keep the fish in the landing net while I position camera to do self takes. From landing net to unhooking mat, weigh, photo and return. A few minutes.
I have been asked by fishery owners to sack fish, smaller fish that were going back into a stock pond, and in one case, a fish that needed a stitch or two after somehow getting a cut down its flank.
It is rare for me to retain fish, I can do night shots if I need, although many fish just get a quick mat shot.
Last summer was not one for a sack or retainer sling either, water too warm, and the margins not deep enough for a sack anyway.
WAY back in the day
when I used to go to all the BCSG meets we had one at Loughborough college in the 70s and a guest speaker was a fish biologist and gave a brilliant talk and one of the things he told us about
was that during the fight and the removal from the fishes world to be unhooked and pictures taken
the fish would produce the equivalent of adrenalin and the older and bigger the fish the worse the effect was
and they OFTEN shortly after release would swim away and die !!!!!!
he said to prevent this it would simply be a case of sacking the fish preferably a dark sack so it would have chance to slowly recover and for the lactic acid or whatever the hell he called it lol to dissipated normally 20 to 30 mins then the fish would come to no harm when released
so just stop and think of any big fish you remember being caught and then being found dead a short time after im sure we can all think of a few
when I used to go to all the BCSG meets we had one at Loughborough college in the 70s and a guest speaker was a fish biologist and gave a brilliant talk and one of the things he told us about
was that during the fight and the removal from the fishes world to be unhooked and pictures taken
the fish would produce the equivalent of adrenalin and the older and bigger the fish the worse the effect was
and they OFTEN shortly after release would swim away and die !!!!!!
he said to prevent this it would simply be a case of sacking the fish preferably a dark sack so it would have chance to slowly recover and for the lactic acid or whatever the hell he called it lol to dissipated normally 20 to 30 mins then the fish would come to no harm when released
so just stop and think of any big fish you remember being caught and then being found dead a short time after im sure we can all think of a few
In reply to Post #11
Agreed
Agreed