In reply to Post #14
Forget the science. Its irrelevant when compared to results. If baking were the way to go then bait companies would have gone that way, after all I'd hazard a guess that large scale baking would be easier than boiling?!
When you have a mix that sinks when boiled, it usually floats when baked. To alter that would mean altering the mix, which defeats the object. Plus as far as nutrition goes, the carp isn't overly efficient at digesting food, so they end up crapping a lot of it out the back of them already, so what is adding more actually going to achieve, other than them just having a higher nutritional crap?
Forget the science. Its irrelevant when compared to results. If baking were the way to go then bait companies would have gone that way, after all I'd hazard a guess that large scale baking would be easier than boiling?!
When you have a mix that sinks when boiled, it usually floats when baked. To alter that would mean altering the mix, which defeats the object. Plus as far as nutrition goes, the carp isn't overly efficient at digesting food, so they end up crapping a lot of it out the back of them already, so what is adding more actually going to achieve, other than them just having a higher nutritional crap?
In reply to Post #16
Forget the science ?
The point being more nutritionally dense therefore better detection from the carps end, better growth rates, healthy fish that live longer.
Also if it's from a cost perspective then you are able to use less ingredients to get the same desired effect.
Forget the science ?
The point being more nutritionally dense therefore better detection from the carps end, better growth rates, healthy fish that live longer.
Also if it's from a cost perspective then you are able to use less ingredients to get the same desired effect.
In reply to Post #16
Also I think many haven't given it a go to get the results because they are under some delusional beliefs/ myths that it can't be done.
Also being inventive is creating newer better baits for the future, or at least the idea.
Think of it like this if one ingredient can be detected for 100 minutes in the water and tha bait is boiled, then one baked will be detected for longer
Also I think many haven't given it a go to get the results because they are under some delusional beliefs/ myths that it can't be done.
Also being inventive is creating newer better baits for the future, or at least the idea.
Think of it like this if one ingredient can be detected for 100 minutes in the water and tha bait is boiled, then one baked will be detected for longer
In reply to Post #17
Yes forget the science. Your points don't really make sense imo, after all you don't govern everything the fish eat, do you? Breeding had more to do with longevity than what's in some boilies they eat.
Yes forget the science. Your points don't really make sense imo, after all you don't govern everything the fish eat, do you? Breeding had more to do with longevity than what's in some boilies they eat.
In reply to Post #1
you bake your baits and cath regularly on them?
you bake your baits and cath regularly on them?
In reply to Post #18
id get in touch with Mr Nash mate.
you're obviously well versed in bait development.
talking that much ***** you're going to get skid marks on your teeth.
id get in touch with Mr Nash mate.
you're obviously well versed in bait development.
talking that much ***** you're going to get skid marks on your teeth.
In reply to Post #21
No need to be like that, I'm sorry if you don't understand or passed physics.
No need to be like that, I'm sorry if you don't understand or passed physics.
In reply to Post #22
not being like anything.
3 people on this thread helped me with my own bait rolling. you're passing off their knowledge like its worthless.
I was having problems with my own bait and they helped me out. now I'm happy with my own mix and catching.
now they are telling you that baking bait is not as good as boiling it and you're just dismissing it because you think the latter.
if anyone is being ''like that'' it is you sir.
not being like anything.
3 people on this thread helped me with my own bait rolling. you're passing off their knowledge like its worthless.
I was having problems with my own bait and they helped me out. now I'm happy with my own mix and catching.
now they are telling you that baking bait is not as good as boiling it and you're just dismissing it because you think the latter.
if anyone is being ''like that'' it is you sir.
In reply to Post #22
The only way to avoid floating baits (that I can think of) would be to replace loads of the highly nutritional ingredients with heavy fillers such as oyster shell and lime stone flour. I can't see how that would benefit the bait?
The only way to avoid floating baits (that I can think of) would be to replace loads of the highly nutritional ingredients with heavy fillers such as oyster shell and lime stone flour. I can't see how that would benefit the bait?
In reply to Post #23
So your getting worked up because I disagree with others who have helped you ? That's very childish.
So your getting worked up because I disagree with others who have helped you ? That's very childish.
In reply to Post #24
Most hnv ingredients are dense and won't suffer but I like the idea of adding small particles to a recipe.
Maybe crushed hemp or crushed nuts/seeds.
Most hnv ingredients are dense and won't suffer but I like the idea of adding small particles to a recipe.
Maybe crushed hemp or crushed nuts/seeds.
In reply to Post #7
Can you leave Newton out of this. He was a scientist and you are apparently not.
Can you leave Newton out of this. He was a scientist and you are apparently not.
In reply to Post #27
Apparently not? According to who ?
Also the reason I mentioned him is because of his laws which considered fact until proven otherwise.
I'm stating facts against opinions, if everyone was to leave facts out of a discussion because they aren't the individuals who discovered them, then where would that leave us? Probably dead lol
Apparently not? According to who ?
Also the reason I mentioned him is because of his laws which considered fact until proven otherwise.
I'm stating facts against opinions, if everyone was to leave facts out of a discussion because they aren't the individuals who discovered them, then where would that leave us? Probably dead lol
What an interesting topic. With 'standard' base mixes and the answer is... high heat, bake for a short time and they float. Lower the heat and you have to bake for longer....only some will float. Add some fillers and they can be made to sink, but the fillers are all low nutritional value. What have you gained?
I did make some pellets this way (back in the 00's) but to unlock the nutrition when baking requires a very different mix to a boilie and I only had so many hours in the day to try this method. I had some success but no better than a boilie.
Normally fish pellets are effectively steamed. if baking worked then the aquafeed industry would switch to it as its safer and easy to do on an industrial scale.
Boil or steam work for the low volumes that we fisherman use (yes even the likes of nashbait are 'low' volume at 30+ tons a week) compared to the aquafeed industry.
Baking is very hit and miss, requires a lot of work to even start to get right and actually takes a long time if doing decent size batches. A home oven is useless for anything more than a kg at a time.
I did make some pellets this way (back in the 00's) but to unlock the nutrition when baking requires a very different mix to a boilie and I only had so many hours in the day to try this method. I had some success but no better than a boilie.
Normally fish pellets are effectively steamed. if baking worked then the aquafeed industry would switch to it as its safer and easy to do on an industrial scale.
Boil or steam work for the low volumes that we fisherman use (yes even the likes of nashbait are 'low' volume at 30+ tons a week) compared to the aquafeed industry.
Baking is very hit and miss, requires a lot of work to even start to get right and actually takes a long time if doing decent size batches. A home oven is useless for anything more than a kg at a time.
Well....been on the forum for about 4 hours and already putting boxing gloves on about the properties of boilie mixes and questioning why boilies aren't baked- loads of reasons for that- but asking questions about baitworks in another thread. I haven't used them but they have a good reputation. To the best of my knowledge they are boiled though...... so probably not what you're looking for?
I have a saying. I like to be proved wrong and It looks like you are a wind up merchant. So far you're not doing a lot to prove that assumption wrong.....
I have a saying. I like to be proved wrong and It looks like you are a wind up merchant. So far you're not doing a lot to prove that assumption wrong.....