In reply to Post #5
I gave you two suggestions and others have mentioned the BM1 mix put together by Smurf which a lot of forum members use to good effect. What do you expect exactly, people just to give you their recipes? The Pete B mix I mentioned covers all the bases in terms of nutrition and attraction whilst still being a functional mix so it rolls well. That is what you are trying to achieve. 14 ingredients are not necessarily better than 5-6 if you put the right ones in at the right amounts. PB mix has been worked out to cover the carp's nutritional needs and has some soluble ingredients for attraction.. you're not using a fishmeal from mainline as they don't do one!
I gave you two suggestions and others have mentioned the BM1 mix put together by Smurf which a lot of forum members use to good effect. What do you expect exactly, people just to give you their recipes? The Pete B mix I mentioned covers all the bases in terms of nutrition and attraction whilst still being a functional mix so it rolls well. That is what you are trying to achieve. 14 ingredients are not necessarily better than 5-6 if you put the right ones in at the right amounts. PB mix has been worked out to cover the carp's nutritional needs and has some soluble ingredients for attraction.. you're not using a fishmeal from mainline as they don't do one!
In reply to Post #7
if you use more PDF it wont roll!
there has to be balance, binders - solubles need to balance to roll well, stay together in the pan and skin once dry.
if you use more PDF it wont roll!
there has to be balance, binders - solubles need to balance to roll well, stay together in the pan and skin once dry.
In reply to Post #5
First ignore Tim Richardson, way too overcomplicated and mostly nonsense
Secondly the "ultimate base mix" doesn't exist, and even if it did its no good if you don't put it in the right place
Thirdly your sarky tone isn't really the correct way to go about getting help with things on here.
You've had some good suggestions here, and they will all be better than the mainline stuff you've been using
First ignore Tim Richardson, way too overcomplicated and mostly nonsense
Secondly the "ultimate base mix" doesn't exist, and even if it did its no good if you don't put it in the right place
Thirdly your sarky tone isn't really the correct way to go about getting help with things on here.
You've had some good suggestions here, and they will all be better than the mainline stuff you've been using
In reply to Post #18
Wish id of read that comment more closely. appalling attitude.
peters mix is pretty much guaranteed to catch a carp if its put in front of one and hes saying there is a lack of knowledge on here.
he would struggle to find better information for free on any forum id say.
Wish id of read that comment more closely. appalling attitude.
peters mix is pretty much guaranteed to catch a carp if its put in front of one and hes saying there is a lack of knowledge on here.
he would struggle to find better information for free on any forum id say.
In reply to Post #16
That's interesting I was under the impression Cell, Hybrid and Activ8 had a fish meal base , I don't know why I thought that , are they a dairy base ?
As for the info offered I'm not being critical or difficult just trying to get as much info as possible before I spend a load of money . I've already found out I'm going in completely the wrong direction so all info is positive. I do appreciate all the assistance I am offered .
That's interesting I was under the impression Cell, Hybrid and Activ8 had a fish meal base , I don't know why I thought that , are they a dairy base ?
As for the info offered I'm not being critical or difficult just trying to get as much info as possible before I spend a load of money . I've already found out I'm going in completely the wrong direction so all info is positive. I do appreciate all the assistance I am offered .
In reply to Post #20
as far as I know they are bird food based baits.
as far as I know they are bird food based baits.
In reply to Post #18
I assure you I intended no offence at all .
I assure you I intended no offence at all .
In reply to Post #19
I'm not sure how you got the impression there is a lack of knowledge
I'm not sure how you got the impression there is a lack of knowledge
In reply to Post #7
So for instance if pre digested fish meal is easier for Carp to assimilate why would you use a larger quantity of LT 94 that is less digestible?
Pre digested fish meal is very soluble and soluble ingredients tend to make a mix difficult to roll, so if you tried replacing the LT94 with pre digested it would not roll, it would be very soft and sticky.
The max soluble ingredients you can get away with would be 20% and that's pushing it depending on the other ingredients in the mix.
BM1 is very good though, so if you are new to making your own start with BM1 and go form there, but in all honesty there no need to tweak it.
Many of us have spent a lot of time and money trying to come up with the ultimate base mix, but believe me it probably does not exist, so my advice would be to use something that rolls well and is proved like BM1, then concentrate on watercraft and presentation
So for instance if pre digested fish meal is easier for Carp to assimilate why would you use a larger quantity of LT 94 that is less digestible?
Pre digested fish meal is very soluble and soluble ingredients tend to make a mix difficult to roll, so if you tried replacing the LT94 with pre digested it would not roll, it would be very soft and sticky.
The max soluble ingredients you can get away with would be 20% and that's pushing it depending on the other ingredients in the mix.
BM1 is very good though, so if you are new to making your own start with BM1 and go form there, but in all honesty there no need to tweak it.
Many of us have spent a lot of time and money trying to come up with the ultimate base mix, but believe me it probably does not exist, so my advice would be to use something that rolls well and is proved like BM1, then concentrate on watercraft and presentation
In reply to Post #24
Post 3 referred to post 2 (about BM1) and said 'there seems to be some disagreement regarding the recipe and volumes'.
Having put BM1 together (and sold it commercially for several years prior to stopping selling bait) I don't really recall any such disagreement about it and would be genuinely interested if there was any
BM1, or slight variations of it, have caught (and still does) literally thousands of carp 
Post 3 referred to post 2 (about BM1) and said 'there seems to be some disagreement regarding the recipe and volumes'.
Having put BM1 together (and sold it commercially for several years prior to stopping selling bait) I don't really recall any such disagreement about it and would be genuinely interested if there was any
BM1, or slight variations of it, have caught (and still does) literally thousands of carp
In reply to Post #21
Cereals mainly. No one is arguing that Mainline baits don't work as they obviously do but even their so called fishmeal mixes, Activ 8 and Link have minimal fishmeal in them. Mainline are very clever and develop a concept for a bait and make that work (Activ 8 was based on a meat derived supplement- Cell on digestible sugars) rather than developing a basemix in the traditional sense like most companies do.
Cereals mainly. No one is arguing that Mainline baits don't work as they obviously do but even their so called fishmeal mixes, Activ 8 and Link have minimal fishmeal in them. Mainline are very clever and develop a concept for a bait and make that work (Activ 8 was based on a meat derived supplement- Cell on digestible sugars) rather than developing a basemix in the traditional sense like most companies do.
In reply to Post #25
Ok I see your point , if I wanted to use a different base say bird food or milk protein are there recipes available on this forum ? As I have mentioned in a previous post I have no experience at all in assembling a mix so all this info is very helpful . I had made a poor assumption that Mainline bases I was using were fish meal based , now I discover they are not so it's reset time .
Ok I see your point , if I wanted to use a different base say bird food or milk protein are there recipes available on this forum ? As I have mentioned in a previous post I have no experience at all in assembling a mix so all this info is very helpful . I had made a poor assumption that Mainline bases I was using were fish meal based , now I discover they are not so it's reset time .
In reply to Post #26
Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully , when I read through the posts was there not a discussion regarding weights and different ingredients. I think perhaps I have spent too much time reading all sorts of posts on different forums .
Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully , when I read through the posts was there not a discussion regarding weights and different ingredients. I think perhaps I have spent too much time reading all sorts of posts on different forums .
In reply to Post #27
Over the last 3 years I have been using Hybrid base mix to very good effect , if I wanted to build a base mix with similar characteristic where would be a good place to start .
Over the last 3 years I have been using Hybrid base mix to very good effect , if I wanted to build a base mix with similar characteristic where would be a good place to start .
Micronized turnip meal might have the x factor your looking for