In reply to Post #14
It's certainly faffing compared to the tempest.......
It's certainly faffing compared to the tempest.......
In reply to Post #16
In Wayne's world, maybe.
Those *amazing* Tempests do use storm poles too you know? And what about the rizla thin material the Tempest is made of? There is a reason it's light and it's not because they're made of some revolutionary new NASA tested material. Here's a clue... it's as thin and as see through as f**k.
In Wayne's world, maybe.
Those *amazing* Tempests do use storm poles too you know? And what about the rizla thin material the Tempest is made of? There is a reason it's light and it's not because they're made of some revolutionary new NASA tested material. Here's a clue... it's as thin and as see through as f**k.
Both of my Bivvies are over 20 years old (The Powerplus Professional and The Nash Oval Canvas (using a hog now).
Although the Titan and Dillo and various others over the years have raised an eye brow I really can't justify the cost nor need to bother as they don't offer me anything more than what I already have and mine will last another 10-20 years.
Interestingly the two cost me around £800.
Although the Titan and Dillo and various others over the years have raised an eye brow I really can't justify the cost nor need to bother as they don't offer me anything more than what I already have and mine will last another 10-20 years.
Interestingly the two cost me around £800.
In reply to Post #1
Tempest brolly v1, for everything from day sessions to a week in France. No need for anything more, sturdy, no faffing about
Tempest brolly v1, for everything from day sessions to a week in France. No need for anything more, sturdy, no faffing about
In reply to Post #17
Not Waynes world at all, the real world yes......think you may be high of those knickers.....
I'm pretty sure the tempest is Aquatex just like the pioneer.......and is free standing so no need for poles or faffing about like its older ageing little brother the pioneer......
Not Waynes world at all, the real world yes......think you may be high of those knickers.....
I'm pretty sure the tempest is Aquatex just like the pioneer.......and is free standing so no need for poles or faffing about like its older ageing little brother the pioneer......
For the wife and children or if I go fishing with one of the children we have a:
-Trakker Slx v3 plus ( for the trakker I had a Nash double top Mk4 2man, the Nash is trash compared to the Trakker)
For when I go alone:
-Quest Outer Block Bivvy
-Trakker Slx v3 plus ( for the trakker I had a Nash double top Mk4 2man, the Nash is trash compared to the Trakker)
For when I go alone:
-Quest Outer Block Bivvy
In reply to Post #11
Aqua 2019 Pioneer.
Best bivvy I've ever had. No faffing around putting ribs together or daft elastics going baggy or snapping. Goes up in seconds with the wrap always attached. Put in the sticks, and it's as solid as a rock.
As Fairbrass likes to say... 'wicked'.
This is a joke right? - The Pioneer is tone of he most over rated and one of the most faffiest bivvies to put up .... You need poles to erect it FFS and another set of poles to hold it up, its ridiculously long packdown and is heavy.) It is a 15year old design that was binned by Aqua for a reason and only bought back at a premium cost to milk the rose tinted brigade
Aqua 2019 Pioneer.
Best bivvy I've ever had. No faffing around putting ribs together or daft elastics going baggy or snapping. Goes up in seconds with the wrap always attached. Put in the sticks, and it's as solid as a rock.
As Fairbrass likes to say... 'wicked'.
This is a joke right? - The Pioneer is tone of he most over rated and one of the most faffiest bivvies to put up .... You need poles to erect it FFS and another set of poles to hold it up, its ridiculously long packdown and is heavy.) It is a 15year old design that was binned by Aqua for a reason and only bought back at a premium cost to milk the rose tinted brigade
In reply to Post #20
It may well be made of Aquatex, though the difference in the thickness of the two is quite considerable. If you see one on the bank (Pioneer) take a look at the material, then have a look at your transparent offering. Well different.
Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse. If the Tempest floats your boat, good on ya. To each their own. The Pioneer isn't perfect; not by a long chalk, and neither is a Tempest. The Pioneer does the trick for me. Simple to put up and easy to pack down. Can get loads in it and it isn't too big that I've struggled to get it in anywhere. Had rib type shelters before. Yeah, they're good, just got fed up with putting the thing together, whereas the Pioneer gets around all of that.
It may well be made of Aquatex, though the difference in the thickness of the two is quite considerable. If you see one on the bank (Pioneer) take a look at the material, then have a look at your transparent offering. Well different.
Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse. If the Tempest floats your boat, good on ya. To each their own. The Pioneer isn't perfect; not by a long chalk, and neither is a Tempest. The Pioneer does the trick for me. Simple to put up and easy to pack down. Can get loads in it and it isn't too big that I've struggled to get it in anywhere. Had rib type shelters before. Yeah, they're good, just got fed up with putting the thing together, whereas the Pioneer gets around all of that.
In reply to Post #22
No joke.
Over exaggerate much? You reckon that putting two poles, in two holes, push them together, put a clip around two bosses and putting some storm poles (Tempest uses poles) in place is hard work? Bet you timewise that the Tempest vs the Pioneer isn't much, seconds maybe?
It's heavy cos of the material used.
Rose tinted? Not me chief. Had a good look around that was on offer at the time and grabbed the Pioneer. Had those Rizla thin bivvy's before and literally cooked in the things when it gets hot. That's not to say it doesn't get hot under a Pioneer, but nothing like those thin bivvy's.
No joke.
Over exaggerate much? You reckon that putting two poles, in two holes, push them together, put a clip around two bosses and putting some storm poles (Tempest uses poles) in place is hard work? Bet you timewise that the Tempest vs the Pioneer isn't much, seconds maybe?
It's heavy cos of the material used.
Rose tinted? Not me chief. Had a good look around that was on offer at the time and grabbed the Pioneer. Had those Rizla thin bivvy's before and literally cooked in the things when it gets hot. That's not to say it doesn't get hot under a Pioneer, but nothing like those thin bivvy's.
In reply to Post #23
My Cyprinus M4 uses a better grade of Aquatex at 20000hh Than the New Aqua Pioneer.......both are overkill IMO and add needless weight.......
You like the pioneer and that's fine if it floats your boat as you say BUT to say it goes up without faffing about is simply not true......I know as I had the original when it was released in 2004 and all the points mentioned by CM ref weight, pack down size were why it was replaced by the Tempest and why Chris Manifold said he cannot see it being improved any further......
My Cyprinus M4 uses a better grade of Aquatex at 20000hh Than the New Aqua Pioneer.......both are overkill IMO and add needless weight.......
You like the pioneer and that's fine if it floats your boat as you say BUT to say it goes up without faffing about is simply not true......I know as I had the original when it was released in 2004 and all the points mentioned by CM ref weight, pack down size were why it was replaced by the Tempest and why Chris Manifold said he cannot see it being improved any further......
Tempest v1 brolly all year round... And French trips, have utility front for longer trips or when my youngest comes with me 😁... Which is most weekends nowadays... Easy setup and versatile...
Also have armo mk 2 with aqua supa extended winter wrap... But this only tends to get used on actual camping trips nowadays... Very strong and roomy with the wrap on...
Also have armo mk 2 with aqua supa extended winter wrap... But this only tends to get used on actual camping trips nowadays... Very strong and roomy with the wrap on...
Cyprinus dpm4 with a wrap - only now used for sessions.
Mk1 fast & light cyprinus version with wrap - mainly used for day sessions but one of my waters has tiny swims so can double up for nights if needed. Needs the wrap if the weather is poor in my opinion
Tempest v2 composite - only just bought this for single nights and longer walks. Seems spot on and will become my main shelter I think.
Mk1 fast & light cyprinus version with wrap - mainly used for day sessions but one of my waters has tiny swims so can double up for nights if needed. Needs the wrap if the weather is poor in my opinion
Tempest v2 composite - only just bought this for single nights and longer walks. Seems spot on and will become my main shelter I think.