In reply to Post #1
When you consider the wages in UK and China then you will realize that UK tackle don't want to be just a bit more expensive but 3 to 5 times as expensive.
When you consider the wages in UK and China then you will realize that UK tackle don't want to be just a bit more expensive but 3 to 5 times as expensive.
In reply to Post #16
None of the present British manufacturers are - there's only one reason to make stuff in China, very cheap FOB product = massive profit margin to company and also the retailer, it's as simple as that.
I've seen paperwork a few years ago for Bivvys that cost £450 each, FOB $34! (£17.00 each at the time)
But look on the flip side, if made in UK it lasts ages - while your using it your not buying another same product, hence a throw away attitude of all consumer goods.
None of the present British manufacturers are - there's only one reason to make stuff in China, very cheap FOB product = massive profit margin to company and also the retailer, it's as simple as that.
I've seen paperwork a few years ago for Bivvys that cost £450 each, FOB $34! (£17.00 each at the time)
But look on the flip side, if made in UK it lasts ages - while your using it your not buying another same product, hence a throw away attitude of all consumer goods.
In reply to Post #17
There is no better time to reset your buying criteria and reevaluate national (dirty word) benefits. The same can be said in regard to climate change. Your spending choices are crucial and dictate in what direction the world turns.
There is no better time to reset your buying criteria and reevaluate national (dirty word) benefits. The same can be said in regard to climate change. Your spending choices are crucial and dictate in what direction the world turns.
In reply to Post #15
I'm not suggesting anything...do you not admit it's a little strange though
I'm not suggesting anything...do you not admit it's a little strange though
In reply to Post #18
Agree with this. Read an article on fashion trends in the future that predicted a move away from cheap imported items and more towards bespoke longer lasting items. Mainly driven by environmental concerns growing and the impact of fast fashion on the environment. I think the virus will accelerate such change e.g. people working from home more, more use of electronic communication, less travel. The environment is improving from all this and many people don't want to go back to how things were. I don't see why it can't be the same trend with tackle, people love good UK made items and will pay more than original cost for some older items.
Agree with this. Read an article on fashion trends in the future that predicted a move away from cheap imported items and more towards bespoke longer lasting items. Mainly driven by environmental concerns growing and the impact of fast fashion on the environment. I think the virus will accelerate such change e.g. people working from home more, more use of electronic communication, less travel. The environment is improving from all this and many people don't want to go back to how things were. I don't see why it can't be the same trend with tackle, people love good UK made items and will pay more than original cost for some older items.
In reply to Post #19
maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean
it seemed you were surprised that there hadn't been an angry response to China, and then gave an example of military action after 9/11 - so I thought you were leading toward the idea that should be the next step now. apologies if I've got that wrong. like i say - I think (most) people have prioritised the need for trying to keep people safe than waste valuable time and energy on getting angry at someone. Although I'm sure it won't be long...
As I say, if I've read it wrong, apologies.
In more general reply, some things to think about regarding this thread (and the others that are saying the same things)
Why China and why now? Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the (incorrect) idea that the whole of China is responsible for Covid-19?
Who do you think would actually be affected by your not buying from China / companies that outsource there? It would be the bottom of the chain that is affected i.e. the low paid workers who have little to no choice about their employment situation (unlike the lazy arses here who can't even be bothered to get off the sofa to go and pick crops... but that's another rant for another thread)
Are you going to apply your new found morality across the board? Will you limit this to just fishing kit, or are you going to try and apply it to all your purchases? (Good luck there...) Say goodbye to your tech, and your inexpensive clothing, and your Nike trainers, and ... so on and so on....
And are you going to limit it to China or are you going to look at the appalling human rights records of the other countries that British firms outsource to / trade with / turn a blind eye to?
There's a good read for people here if you really do feel strongly about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/
btw - this is by no means me standing up for the Chinese economy - just being objective and realist
maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean
it seemed you were surprised that there hadn't been an angry response to China, and then gave an example of military action after 9/11 - so I thought you were leading toward the idea that should be the next step now. apologies if I've got that wrong. like i say - I think (most) people have prioritised the need for trying to keep people safe than waste valuable time and energy on getting angry at someone. Although I'm sure it won't be long...
As I say, if I've read it wrong, apologies.
In more general reply, some things to think about regarding this thread (and the others that are saying the same things)
Why China and why now? Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the (incorrect) idea that the whole of China is responsible for Covid-19?
Who do you think would actually be affected by your not buying from China / companies that outsource there? It would be the bottom of the chain that is affected i.e. the low paid workers who have little to no choice about their employment situation (unlike the lazy arses here who can't even be bothered to get off the sofa to go and pick crops... but that's another rant for another thread)
Are you going to apply your new found morality across the board? Will you limit this to just fishing kit, or are you going to try and apply it to all your purchases? (Good luck there...) Say goodbye to your tech, and your inexpensive clothing, and your Nike trainers, and ... so on and so on....
And are you going to limit it to China or are you going to look at the appalling human rights records of the other countries that British firms outsource to / trade with / turn a blind eye to?
There's a good read for people here if you really do feel strongly about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/
btw - this is by no means me standing up for the Chinese economy - just being objective and realist
In reply to Post #19
A time and place, not now, our government is a bit buissy
A time and place, not now, our government is a bit buissy
The new world order - more people, more demand, those that produce the most and sell cheap get the trade, the small producers can't compete and go out of business. We are all to blame.
When Brexit got the vote many thought that the UK could regain it's manufacturing status and we would become self sufficient. Unfortunately time has moved forward and for us to backtrack to the 'glory' years would cost way too much for the average person.
Besides, much of China's cheap crap is repackaged and sold as expensive crap and we lap it up. The lines are blurred.
As for 'getting revenge over China' WTF? If you can prove that Covid19 is man made and was released by China, WHO or Aliens then yes, you may have a beef with somebody but as all experts claim it to a natural virus that just happened to come from some bat eating local, who ya gonna bomb? The guy that ate it or the dead bat?
Get real people. I know that people involved in WW2 wouldn't buy Japanese or German goods but they missed out on most of the good cars by doing so. Boycotting China is a bit like boycotting space because an asteroid killed the dinosaurs .
When Brexit got the vote many thought that the UK could regain it's manufacturing status and we would become self sufficient. Unfortunately time has moved forward and for us to backtrack to the 'glory' years would cost way too much for the average person.
Besides, much of China's cheap crap is repackaged and sold as expensive crap and we lap it up. The lines are blurred.
As for 'getting revenge over China' WTF? If you can prove that Covid19 is man made and was released by China, WHO or Aliens then yes, you may have a beef with somebody but as all experts claim it to a natural virus that just happened to come from some bat eating local, who ya gonna bomb? The guy that ate it or the dead bat?
Get real people. I know that people involved in WW2 wouldn't buy Japanese or German goods but they missed out on most of the good cars by doing so. Boycotting China is a bit like boycotting space because an asteroid killed the dinosaurs .
In reply to Post #21
There is not a major outpouring of vile towards China at this time because all countries want PPE, medical supplies and goods from them to see their countries through this pandemic. Once the dust has settled and a vaccine of sorts found and people/economies start to recover then the blame game will start big time.
There is not a major outpouring of vile towards China at this time because all countries want PPE, medical supplies and goods from them to see their countries through this pandemic. Once the dust has settled and a vaccine of sorts found and people/economies start to recover then the blame game will start big time.
In reply to Post #23
Boycotting space.....
Brilliant
Boycotting space.....
Brilliant
In reply to Post #21
Yes what I was trying to say is I find the duality of it very bizarre.
The 9.11 incident drew an immediate and brutal reprisal which continues to this day....I wasn't suggesting that this course of action is the way to go quite the opposite really.
The current situation we find ourselves in is probably easier to pin on a certain country and has claimed far more lives however...no response...admittedly yet.
Perhaps China has a lot more of a grip on the World economy as a whole than any of us imagined possible.....nuclear power station ownership...5G etc etc.
Or perhaps the lack of oil or a required regime change ?
Yes what I was trying to say is I find the duality of it very bizarre.
The 9.11 incident drew an immediate and brutal reprisal which continues to this day....I wasn't suggesting that this course of action is the way to go quite the opposite really.
The current situation we find ourselves in is probably easier to pin on a certain country and has claimed far more lives however...no response...admittedly yet.
Perhaps China has a lot more of a grip on the World economy as a whole than any of us imagined possible.....nuclear power station ownership...5G etc etc.
Or perhaps the lack of oil or a required regime change ?
In reply to Post #24
Let's see if the vaccine at Oxford University works next week when start trials, if it does,sell it to China for an obsurd amount of money
Let's see if the vaccine at Oxford University works next week when start trials, if it does,sell it to China for an obsurd amount of money
In reply to Post #23
I don't like the Germans either, they bombed mi grandads chip oil during war
Saying that, I'm not too keen on the Chinese either, can't get a nice one round our way!
I don't like the Germans either, they bombed mi grandads chip oil during war
Saying that, I'm not too keen on the Chinese either, can't get a nice one round our way!
In reply to Post #26
Could the 1.1trillion dollars that the US owe to China be a factor...? (about 5 per cent of their economy 'owned' by China...)
And as you say, no oil reserves to appropriate or infrastructure rebuild to sell out to tender to US or UK companies....
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league. Sod 'em!
Could the 1.1trillion dollars that the US owe to China be a factor...? (about 5 per cent of their economy 'owned' by China...)
And as you say, no oil reserves to appropriate or infrastructure rebuild to sell out to tender to US or UK companies....
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league. Sod 'em!
In reply to Post #1
Oh dear.
Some of the posts on here make me laugh.
A. It would be practically impossible do go fishing with products that have no link to China.
B. Why stop buying Chinese now? If it's Coronavirus then that's a laughable reason.
C. The notion that UK made is better than Chinese made just because of Geography is again daft.
Oh dear.
Some of the posts on here make me laugh.
A. It would be practically impossible do go fishing with products that have no link to China.
B. Why stop buying Chinese now? If it's Coronavirus then that's a laughable reason.
C. The notion that UK made is better than Chinese made just because of Geography is again daft.