In reply to Post #15
That's a very good point Frenzy.
That's a very good point Frenzy.
Seems a great scheme to me and we'll done Danny for putting your money back into protecting fishing for us and future generations.
In reply to Post #15
Might just make the otters show it's less than cuddly side to the public ,as it searches for food , a few domestic kills etc might have the desired effect ,
Or
Like most wild animals , as it food source diminishes , so mother nature takes over and numbers dwindle .
Of course if we could fence every lake ,we could speed up this process .
Might just make the otters show it's less than cuddly side to the public ,as it searches for food , a few domestic kills etc might have the desired effect ,
Or
Like most wild animals , as it food source diminishes , so mother nature takes over and numbers dwindle .
Of course if we could fence every lake ,we could speed up this process .
In reply to Post #18
Think I'll change my saying after what you said to...
Have fence,have fish..no otters...!!!..
Think I'll change my saying after what you said to...
Have fence,have fish..no otters...!!!..
From a carp fishing point of view I can't see anything but good with the Embryo project.
Fencing fisheries has both positive and negative impacts on nature in general.
The coots and moorhens seen to have a very high survival rate at my place, the ducks don't fare so well, a local heron has realised that there are more ducklings available at my place than other nearby waters and likes their taste!
It's sad that the deer can no longer visit but at least they still have access to water outside of the fence.
The rabbits are a nightmare now that the foxes can't get at them and I'm going to have to take measures to reduce their numbers.
Fencing fisheries has both positive and negative impacts on nature in general.
The coots and moorhens seen to have a very high survival rate at my place, the ducks don't fare so well, a local heron has realised that there are more ducklings available at my place than other nearby waters and likes their taste!
It's sad that the deer can no longer visit but at least they still have access to water outside of the fence.
The rabbits are a nightmare now that the foxes can't get at them and I'm going to have to take measures to reduce their numbers.
In reply to Post #18
That's just the way I'm starting to view the Otter problem Paul
~ I was helping the EA a few weeks back doing a netting of a fenced lake, to remove some of the over abundance of Silvers & Perch, 80-100kg got removed off memory. Where did they go – into an un-fenced Res, right next to the Otter infested Leeds & Liverpool Canal! Could not help thinking “That's a lot of Otter Food”
That's just the way I'm starting to view the Otter problem Paul
~ I was helping the EA a few weeks back doing a netting of a fenced lake, to remove some of the over abundance of Silvers & Perch, 80-100kg got removed off memory. Where did they go – into an un-fenced Res, right next to the Otter infested Leeds & Liverpool Canal! Could not help thinking “That's a lot of Otter Food”
In reply to Post #21
You know as well as i do mate , it doesn't matter what animal it is ,when there is an abundance of food , the animal thrives , bigger litters .
Just what percentage of the EAs income ,
comes from anglers ?
You know as well as i do mate , it doesn't matter what animal it is ,when there is an abundance of food , the animal thrives , bigger litters .
Just what percentage of the EAs income ,
comes from anglers ?
Hi All 
Really appreciate everyones' opinions on this thread. Wasn't sure which way it would go as usual threads with regards to Korda/DF were generally negative to say the least. Im with the majority on this .. ie in favour of what he is doing. Can see that fencing such venues and excluding predators can create an issue elsewhere as a food source is removed from the system. However preserving/creating a fishery wherever it is using proven models such as the others in the Embryo portfolio can only be commended.Its just possible others may jump on the DF /Embryo wagon now that it can be looked on as a success, albeit on a fairly limited basis.It will be interesting to see how Stanton fares now its in new ownership
Regards Andy
Really appreciate everyones' opinions on this thread. Wasn't sure which way it would go as usual threads with regards to Korda/DF were generally negative to say the least. Im with the majority on this .. ie in favour of what he is doing. Can see that fencing such venues and excluding predators can create an issue elsewhere as a food source is removed from the system. However preserving/creating a fishery wherever it is using proven models such as the others in the Embryo portfolio can only be commended.Its just possible others may jump on the DF /Embryo wagon now that it can be looked on as a success, albeit on a fairly limited basis.It will be interesting to see how Stanton fares now its in new ownership Regards Andy
In reply to Post #4
I fished Cawcutts (we called it The Post House Lake) for £35 a year when it as under club control. I bet it costs a lot more now... it was stuffed with crayfish at the time and the noise from the A14 was awful. Also, we had a lot of trouble with those traveller folk camped down the road... tackle thefts, poaching, car break ins and them having beach parties by the lake, including swimming in it... may be the crays have been sorted, the folk down the road moved on... and I know that otter fencing has gone up, security improved and the carp stock boosted, but I'd pass on fishing there for more than a day, as I think your hearing would be impaired after a few sessions! We even used to get missiles being lobbed at us from the road bank - pizza boxes, bottles, cans, you name it. Even a red bra came floating down and settled next to my rods on one occasion...
I fished Cawcutts (we called it The Post House Lake) for £35 a year when it as under club control. I bet it costs a lot more now... it was stuffed with crayfish at the time and the noise from the A14 was awful. Also, we had a lot of trouble with those traveller folk camped down the road... tackle thefts, poaching, car break ins and them having beach parties by the lake, including swimming in it... may be the crays have been sorted, the folk down the road moved on... and I know that otter fencing has gone up, security improved and the carp stock boosted, but I'd pass on fishing there for more than a day, as I think your hearing would be impaired after a few sessions! We even used to get missiles being lobbed at us from the road bank - pizza boxes, bottles, cans, you name it. Even a red bra came floating down and settled next to my rods on one occasion...
In reply to Post #22
"Just what percentage of the EAs income ,comes from anglers ?"
A trivial amount. So little it makes little sense to run the process and criminalise people every year.
EA expenditure £1,300M https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/629778/LIT10667.pdf
Rod license sales £20.3M https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/678380/Annual_fisheries_report_2016_to_2017.pdf
"Just what percentage of the EAs income ,comes from anglers ?"
A trivial amount. So little it makes little sense to run the process and criminalise people every year.
EA expenditure £1,300M https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/629778/LIT10667.pdf
Rod license sales £20.3M https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/678380/Annual_fisheries_report_2016_to_2017.pdf
In reply to Post #22
Just what percentage of the EAs income ,
comes from anglers ?
I can't help wondering just how much of Anglers Licence Fee money is actually inadvertently being used to feed and help the spread of Otters, plus also providing a sustainable diet for the Cormorants ?
In other words are we actually paying to grow our own problem?
Unless the re-stocking of Un-fenced water (Inc. Rivers) is needed due to a pollution incident. It makes no sense at all to me to keep re-stocking, for the then stocked fish to become “Cannon Fodder” for the un-controlled predator population, seems just a waste of money to me.
Just what percentage of the EAs income ,
comes from anglers ?
I can't help wondering just how much of Anglers Licence Fee money is actually inadvertently being used to feed and help the spread of Otters, plus also providing a sustainable diet for the Cormorants ?
In other words are we actually paying to grow our own problem?
Unless the re-stocking of Un-fenced water (Inc. Rivers) is needed due to a pollution incident. It makes no sense at all to me to keep re-stocking, for the then stocked fish to become “Cannon Fodder” for the un-controlled predator population, seems just a waste of money to me.
In reply to Post #26
Exactly, natures wildlife will always moderate its numbers on the food sources available to it.
Lots of food, numbers boom.
Lack of food, only the strongest survive, and numbers dwindle to naturally substainable numbers.
Exactly, natures wildlife will always moderate its numbers on the food sources available to it.
Lots of food, numbers boom.
Lack of food, only the strongest survive, and numbers dwindle to naturally substainable numbers.
In reply to Post #23
agree with that hope he buys something round suffolk area couple of unfished old syndicate waters round this way
agree with that hope he buys something round suffolk area couple of unfished old syndicate waters round this way
In reply to Post #28
I personally know both James and Matt from very well, although the waters arnt quiet my cup of tea my hat goes off to the job they are doing, I can't see how anyone can have a bad word to say.
I personally know both James and Matt from very well, although the waters arnt quiet my cup of tea my hat goes off to the job they are doing, I can't see how anyone can have a bad word to say.
How much of the EA's income comes from water recreational pursuits other than anglers?